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Originally posted by poet682006 View PostTruth be told, I believe Sonny DID hurt his shoulder in the first Ali fight by swinging and constanly missing. He just couldn't hit the much faster Ali. I think under normal circumstances Liston may well have fought on with a hurt shoulder but he was demoralized by Ali and believed he couldn't win. So he bowed out with the injury. In the second fight Liston was clearly off balance when Ali landed the right hand and Sonny was PUSHED over by it rather than it being a clean knockdown. The problem was Ali refused to go to the neutral corner and Liston rightfully was not going to get up with Ali standing over him. When Walcott finally got Ali to the neutral corner and started his count, Sonny got up and resumed fighting. At that point Nat Fleicher jumped up and shouted to Walcott that Liston had been down for a ten count so Walcott waved the fight off and declared Ali the winner.
My problem with this is that I believe there should be no count UNTIL a fighter goes to a neutral corner. If the downed fighter gets extra time because his opponent doesn't go to the neutral corner then it's the other guy's own damn fault. Too bad, so sad. Go to the neutral corner next time. In my opinion no fighter should benifit from his own rulebreaking.
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I agree with everything you've stated. That said, I still don't think he would have beaten Ali. I think he under estimated the young Clay from the start, who just happened to have his number.
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Originally posted by Biffen View PostI wonder. I read this list for a coupel of pages and I wonder. Where wolud people put the champ Ingmar Johansson on the list? I havent seen anyone put him by the ten worst, so he could not been that bad, or?
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Originally posted by JAB5239 View PostI agree with everything you've stated. That said, I still don't think he would have beaten Ali. I think he under estimated the young Clay from the start, who just happened to have his number.
PoetLast edited by StarshipTrooper; 07-14-2008, 02:21 PM.
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Originally posted by poet682006 View PostOh no I agree: Ali was just too damn fast for Liston. And more almost all Heavyweights for that matter.
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Originally posted by duffgun View PostI always would have liked to see a young Patterson against Clay. That would be a very good fight but the first one Patterson had back problems and was already a bit past his best and by the time they had there 2nd fight Patterson was way past it although he still had faster hands than most even at that point.
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Originally posted by duffgun View PostI always would have liked to see a young Patterson against Clay. That would be a very good fight but the first one Patterson had back problems and was already a bit past his best and by the time they had there 2nd fight Patterson was way past it although he still had faster hands than most even at that point.
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