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Has any boxer dominated Bernard and Hopkins talent like Roy did.
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Originally posted by Come∂ian View PostToney yes, Benard no imo.
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Originally posted by KiloTeague View PostI dont know that Bernard landed one flush shot. Where as Margarito was snapping pacs head back and rocked Pac a couple times. Pac was bloody and hurt in that fight. Roy was never close to hurt, or rocked or bloody. He took absolutely no damage from Hopkins who was a much better fighter than Margarito.
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Originally posted by KiloTeague View PostI dont know that Bernard landed one flush shot. Where as Margarito was snapping pacs head back and rocked Pac a couple times. Pac was bloody and hurt in that fight. Roy was never close to hurt, or rocked or bloody. He took absolutely no damage from Hopkins who was a much better fighter than Margarito.
this sequence starts with hopkins blocking roys left and counters with a good left hook(crowd goes crazy anyway) then roy lands a right and follows with a left and hopkins lands another left hook counter. you can't tell if roy's hook landed(might have been blocked by hopkins glove camera angle was terrible) but you can see roy's head jolt to the side from hopkins counter left then their feet tangle.
roy shoe shines and doesn't land anything clean then hopkins catches him with a good right as he pulls back
an observant boxing fan notices these things. a fan boy pretends these things aren't happening. this video was titled brutal beatings but........yea. it was a close round with both guys landing some good punches. flash does not equal substance. crowd noise does not mean a fighter is winning and commentators going nuts doesn't mean a fighter is necessarily winning. a good boxing fan ignores these criteria and focuses on actual punches not atmosphere.Last edited by daggum; 01-02-2012, 01:40 AM.
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Originally posted by KiloTeague View PostDoes anyone have two better wins than Roys two wins against Bernard Hopkins and James Toney
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Has anyone ever dominated two Hall of Fame talents on the level of Bernard and James Toney the way Roy did?
And Jones hardly dominated Hopkins. He won a safe, pedestrian decision.
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Originally posted by daggum View Postcome back to reality please. you need to pay attention a little better. watch these 2 clips. if you don't watch closely it looks like roy is landing and doing the damage when in reality hopkins is landing the cleaner punches. the crowd is going apesh-it but they don't know what's happening either. this is what we call the calzaghe effect. the flashy guy is not always the guy landing the punches.
this sequence starts with hopkins blocking roys left and counters with a good left hook(crowd goes crazy anyway) then roy lands a right and follows with a left and hopkins lands another left hook counter. you can't tell if roy's hook landed(might have been blocked by hopkins glove camera angle was terrible) but you can see roy's head jolt to the side from hopkins counter left then their feet tangle so it looks like roy actually was doing much better than reality.
roy shoe shines and doesn't land anything clean then hopkins catches him with a good right as he pulls back
an observant boxing fan notices these things. a fan boy pretends these things aren't happening. this video was titled brutal beatings but i don't understand if they are saying jones brutally beat up hopkins or vice versa? that's how out of touch people are. it was a close round with both guys landing some good punches. hopkins probably landed the cleaner punches overall but brutal beating in jones favor? where?
That fight above is the definition of a close battle with most rounds very even and the flashy stuff (Margarito is a pretty flashy guy too though) pulling it out for one guy more. Hopkins/Jones is the definition of absolutely decimated and pwned in a one sided beat down.
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Hopkins wasn't really Hopkins yet and hardly
any punches were thrown in that fight so I wouldn't say Hopkins was dominated, and Toney and his flat-footed stance was taylor made for Jones. They coulda fought 100 times and Jones would win 100 times. Toney has and had no shot. Jones would probably still beat him today.
No slight to Roy, he was untouchable for years and years, but I just disagree.
How bout Donaire's dominance over Darchinyan and Montiel?
Ali kinda dominated Liston and Foreman
Joe Calzaghe dominated Peter Manfredo and Jeff Lacy...OK that was a stretch
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Whitaker pwned Chavez, and Nelson pretty bad. Worse than both of these IMO. Tommy Hearns dominated Duran, beat Leonard (rematch) and Benitez worse than Jones beat Hopkins. There's lots if you care to look, but being a ******, KiloTeague probably doesn't care to. Monzon beat up Griffith, and Napoles.
Having a close, but clear win over a green Hopkins in his first ever title shot and then dominating a clearly undisciplined Toney (despite it still being a great win over an amazing fighter) is impressive. It's nothing that hasn't been done before.
Pac knocked out Barrera and Morales.
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