James Toney was a great fighter, but in my opinion steroids cheats shouldn't be inducted into the HOF
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How highly do you rate James Toney?
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In a p4p list?
Or in general pretty high when his heads on straight he's great but he's never in a dull fight.
Great skills just naturally gifted. Not with speed or super power but ring iq.
Also what about toneys other wins?
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ATG, I have him rated around the same area as Hopkins and Jones.
Very good resume
Is a 2 time fighter of the year
Comeback fighter of the year
Was in a Fight of the Year fight
3 weight class champion and was dominating guys at heavyweight as well until the 2nd Peter fight.(He was robbed in the first fight)
Incredible chin, never been stopped even at heavyweight.
Never ducked anyone
and has done well when faced with adversity.
How is this man overrated?
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Originally posted by New England View Postrawrrrrr
i'm a huge toney fan
but really?
he wasn't a huge puncher
wasn't slow, but wasn't terribly fast either of hand or foot.
he had a great chin, and reflexes and poise
but a lot of his prowess in the ring came from his tricks and not his gifts
Most of his poor performances were a direct result of him being a fat lazy bastard.
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Anyone who doubts Toney's credentials needs to pop in one of the best fights of the past 20 years, Toney-Jirov. Jirov was a young but experienced, hungry and savvy, tough as nails hard-hitter who could box and brawl with the best of them. And Toney took him to school, battering him and taking several years off his career in a beautiful performance. Toney at his peak was breathtaking.
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Originally posted by HEADBANGER View PostJames Toney is one of those fighters whose career is hard to assess, how do you personally rate him?
even at his peak, toney was :
- drawing with sanderline williams
- getting a gift decision against dave tiberi
- winning life and death split decisions against sosa and johnson
- getting his head boxed off by jones
- losing twice to griffin
- losing to thadzi
then you have his best win versus nunn, where he came from way behind for a late knockout win
2 very close fights with an over the hill mccallum
a good performance against barkley who had previously lost to a shot roberto duran at middleweight, and lost to nigel benn in 1 round
a good win against jirov but who has jirov actually ever beat of note?
then theres the fact he has twice been found guilty of taking banned anabolic steroids which significantly damages toneys reputation.
do you think toney gets overated today, all things considered?
James at his best was the best fighter that I have seen with my two eyes. At his worst he was still good but lathargic.
James is an ATG in my book.............Rockin'Last edited by Rockin'; 10-02-2012, 08:17 PM.
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