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And let me define skill: not someone who made other boxers look foolish with physical attributes, but rather, take their speed away would they still dominate?
Pernell Whitaker
Archie Moore
Joe Walcott
James Toney
Mike Mccallum
Juan Manuel Marquez
Julio Cesar Chavez
Nicolino Loche (sp)
Wilfredo Benitez
watch Jones Deteriorate once his speed and legs left him, Ali's defense game as well looked very mediocre as he slowed down, winning fights on heart. Even Mayweather depends a lot on his speed, These men are all skilled but aren't half of what they would be if they lost their physical prowess.
So basically, skills only thread
Anyways, I couldn't find a more skilled boxer than Pernell Whitaker, even fighting prime ATG ww's past his prime and way above his starting weight class, he was still damn near un - hittable and showed his counter punching abilities. James Toney is another, like a cleaner but smaller version of Joe Walcott. Being an overweight 5'10 middleweight beating up heavyweights. Pure skill.
Slick doesn't convert to skill always, although NSB would argue. Skill is the ability to:
- not telegraphing, throwing a punch cleanly without any loading, giving no indication (ever wonder why Margarito landed on Cotto yet he was so slow? and comeback Foremans Jab?)
- ring general ship, spinning your opponent and putting yourself in your punching range not his, as well as controlling the pace
- unpredictability, not telegraphing on a larger scale, your opponent doesn't know what you will do (see Duran vs SRL 1)
- accuracy and placement of punches (aiming for the chin, eyes, liver, sternum not just the head and sides of the body)
- as well as vision and keeping a certain poise at all times (Marquez is very good at this) some of this comes with experience others are naturally good at this.
- Counter punching: basically, when your opponent has his hands up he's harder to hit because he's ready to defend, when he tries to punch you, he's giving you an opening once his hand leaves his guard, a great counter puncher will be able to capitalize on this. Best counter right hand I've ever seen? Roberto Duran. runner up: James Toney, FMJ
- setting up your opponent:
The simple form is going to the body early, getting him to bring his hands down once the body start feeling the pain, then finishing up stairs late. More intricate things can be done, such as throwing a left hook to split his guard and throwing a cross in the opening. Or banging a right upper cut and catching his head with a left hook as it pops up. Tyson hitting behind the elbow to bring the guard back, shooting an upper cut up the pipe as the guard splits.
Feel free to add. These are all things you see professionals employing
Pernell Whitaker has all these + speed. Brutal combo.
Chavez had most of these as well and Mccallum, they weren't as quick though.
Pernell Whitaker
Archie Moore
Joe Walcott
James Toney
Mike Mccallum
Juan Manuel Marquez
Julio Cesar Chavez
Nicolino Loche (sp)
Wilfredo Benitez
watch Jones Deteriorate once his speed and legs left him, Ali's defense game as well looked very mediocre as he slowed down, winning fights on heart. Even Mayweather depends a lot on his speed, These men are all skilled but aren't half of what they would be if they lost their physical prowess.
So basically, skills only thread
Anyways, I couldn't find a more skilled boxer than Pernell Whitaker, even fighting prime ATG ww's past his prime and way above his starting weight class, he was still damn near un - hittable and showed his counter punching abilities. James Toney is another, like a cleaner but smaller version of Joe Walcott. Being an overweight 5'10 middleweight beating up heavyweights. Pure skill.
Slick doesn't convert to skill always, although NSB would argue. Skill is the ability to:
- not telegraphing, throwing a punch cleanly without any loading, giving no indication (ever wonder why Margarito landed on Cotto yet he was so slow? and comeback Foremans Jab?)
- ring general ship, spinning your opponent and putting yourself in your punching range not his, as well as controlling the pace
- unpredictability, not telegraphing on a larger scale, your opponent doesn't know what you will do (see Duran vs SRL 1)
- accuracy and placement of punches (aiming for the chin, eyes, liver, sternum not just the head and sides of the body)
- as well as vision and keeping a certain poise at all times (Marquez is very good at this) some of this comes with experience others are naturally good at this.
- Counter punching: basically, when your opponent has his hands up he's harder to hit because he's ready to defend, when he tries to punch you, he's giving you an opening once his hand leaves his guard, a great counter puncher will be able to capitalize on this. Best counter right hand I've ever seen? Roberto Duran. runner up: James Toney, FMJ
- setting up your opponent:
The simple form is going to the body early, getting him to bring his hands down once the body start feeling the pain, then finishing up stairs late. More intricate things can be done, such as throwing a left hook to split his guard and throwing a cross in the opening. Or banging a right upper cut and catching his head with a left hook as it pops up. Tyson hitting behind the elbow to bring the guard back, shooting an upper cut up the pipe as the guard splits.
Feel free to add. These are all things you see professionals employing
Pernell Whitaker has all these + speed. Brutal combo.
Chavez had most of these as well and Mccallum, they weren't as quick though.
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