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Fantasy: Would a Welter Andre Ward do well VS Floyd?
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Originally posted by MurkaMan View PostMan to me, Ward is slow af. He just doesnt telegraph and gets off first. That fight would look like Floyd vs Canelo, Ortiz, Juan. Floyd fight all these different styles, and changes his style in order to dominate them without being grazed. A style like Pac's or Aaron pryor can trouble him. But to me, despite how smart Ward is, he would look dumb and clumsey just like the rest.
I really feel like Brother Nazim said, you aint seen the best of Ward. He does seem to fight to his opponent. From getting dropped to an unknown, to beat Kessler and so on.
He is incredibly smart and grounded. He would train correctly, not feel pressure from Floyd's antics and would have a game plan A, B and C IMO. His trainer is very philosophical and caring. Much like Abel is for GGG.
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Originally posted by MurkaMan View PostAnd Floyd dont always rely on the shoulder roll. I would love to see him fight with the stance he used against Mosley. He been rolling allot lately because Broner came and repopulated it. But with Mosley he stood in a similar stance but more squared.
That stance got him in trouble at times, hence why Snr came in and worked on a strong jab and better movement.
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Originally posted by Rights4Gays View PostI am going to watch some Ward fights again to see about the speed and clumsiness is. Maybe I missed it. Sometimes when a fighter wins all the time, you look pass the mistakes.
I really feel like Brother Nazim said, you aint seen the best of Ward. He does seem to fight to his opponent. From getting dropped to an unknown, to beat Kessler and so on.
He is incredibly smart and grounded. He would train correctly, not feel pressure from Floyd's antics and would have a game plan A, B and C IMO. His trainer is very philosophical and caring. Much like Abel is for GGG.
Naziim did make those comments but I always felt he was overexaggerating. He said Ward had this hidden one punch KO power. I feel like Ward wont get any better than what he did to Chad. He punched every single time he could. Did great inside work too.
Ward is an excellent fighter. But no matter how many gameplans he has, Floyd is just so instinctive, sharp, psychic etc. Sometimes he steps to the side, steps back, pivots, turns, budges, so many defensive tools. After a few rounds he is able to bodyscan an opponent, and know what angles their punches will come from. Ward is a skilled tactical fighter with great d. But Floyd is a full blown defensive specialist, who just happens to be an all around masterfighter. And Ward has been fighting some tough competition. His plus minus is 15 I believe. At Floyd's best his was 30. Twice as accurate, and twice as hard to hit. To me its nothing Ward can do to win.
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Originally posted by Rights4Gays View PostThat stance let him take a few flush shots, but Mosely was shot. He just didn't pull the trigger. Probably to do with a lack of PED's IM if you look at his prime.
That stance got him in trouble at times, hence why Snr came in and worked on a strong jab and better movement.
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Originally posted by MurkaMan View PostHAHAHAHAHA!!!! GTFO!! Mosley wasnt shot negroid!! He was past prime but was coming off a great win, and it would have been a flat out duck move if he hadnt fought him. The stance did not get him in trouble at ALL!! That was his best performance and Floyd Sr WAS in camp. He got caught because he wasnt paying attention. They told him to go back to boxing, then he went and walked him down the rest of the fight. LOL. Floyd made Mosley look just like JMM, Canelo, Ortiz, Ghost. They all look the same no matter what age, style, or size.
Plus Marg was made for Mosely. A guy who is slow and in your face...
Just checked how long it was, it was 1 year and 3 months... that's a damn long time off for a guy like Mosely.
He definitely was shot over night. Look at his damn record since. Look at his performances and lack of a lot of things now.
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Originally posted by MurkaMan View PostHAHAHAHAHA!!!! GTFO!! Mosley wasnt shot negroid!! He was past prime but was coming off a great win, and it would have been a flat out duck move if he hadnt fought him. The stance did not get him in trouble at ALL!! That was his best performance and Floyd Sr WAS in camp. He got caught because he wasnt paying attention. They told him to go back to boxing, then he went and walked him down the rest of the fight. LOL. Floyd made Mosley look just like JMM, Canelo, Ortiz, Ghost. They all look the same no matter what age, style, or size.
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Originally posted by Rights4Gays View PostMosely was shot. You could see he could not pull the trigger. His win was around a year a go from memory since Berto has Haitan issues.
Plus Marg was made for Mosely. A guy who is slow and in your face...
Just checked how long it was, it was 1 year and 3 months... that's a damn long time off for a guy like Mosely.
He definitely was shot over night. Look at his damn record since. Look at his performances and lack of a lot of things now.
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