This is fire is aweful

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How did the politicians get away with this?

Did the people vote them out at least?


There should be a law, that money raised by any tax goes towards that fund.

Cmon dude thats Cali. This **** has been going on forever. look at
School taxes
Gas taxes
Road taxes
ect ect ect.

They have voted in new taxes for these things MANY times only for the funds to go to general funds. Then the next election they say the need the funds again saying this time we'll use it for what its supposed to be used for. Its the same **** every election. Cali voters are clueless.
"This time it will go toward the roads"
https://www.politifact.com/californi...nt-new-gas-ta/
But this time, again, it didnt.

"Governor Brown and his fellow Democrats are already diverting funding to their own pet projects," she said in the press release. "In this budget proposal, they are diverting 30 percent of funding from the gas tax to non-road related projects like building parks and job training for felons. That’s money from the very gas tax the Democrats promised would go solely to fixing our decrepit roads and providing relief for traffic congestion."

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[1bad65]

But it's the fault of global warming.

Interesting this is a huge issue in CA on a constant basis, while massive fires like this in the other 49 States are much more rare.

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This needed to be said. Now that Trump said it people are talking about whats really going on.
I fished in the Sierra's Sunday. My lake is still full of water. The last three years have been very wet here. Jerry brown declared the drought over this year.

I don't think people understand CA. Very well. We have a wet winter and it leads to lots of growth. Then our summers have always been 100 degrees. Put the two together and what do you get? So Cal is a desert but people don't act like it is. We pump water to so Cal so they can maintain. Ever fly over so Cal? Look at all the pools? Look at all the over growth? Look at the people with money with home in the canyons? They want that over growth.

Then there's CARB, carb restrictions regulate control burns. Yeah crazy eh? There needs to be control burns period! Yet the state is too worried about the air.

Call fire tax, there was a special tax for home owners that lived in rule areas that started in 2011. It was supposed to be for fire prevention, a audit showed zero of the funds were used for fire prevention and the state was sued. The fee was suspended but funds were never refunded.

Why is it that people can't see what's really going on here? Miss management! If you go to the doc and the doc tells you that you have to cut out smoking or you will die. It's the hard truth but do you walk out of the office and curse him? These are just facts.

Btw we are still using the same tech for putting out fires that we've been for ages. Same planes ect. How about we invest in a better way? Maybe use the funds for what they're supposed to be used for instead of padding the general fund.

Look at the Oroville dam, we paid for maintenance that was never done. The state waited for it to fail used the funds for other things and then asked the feds for emergency funding. There's a pattern here, people just need to open their eyes.

So far, the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection has found PG&E’s equipment responsible for 15 of the wildfires that scorched Northern California last year.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics...215458390.html

Guess how the fire started. Brown passed a bill saying PGE cant be held responsible
https://www.kqed.org/news/11705306/p...te-county-fire

[1bad65]

Then there's CARB, carb restrictions regulate control burns. Yeah crazy eh? There needs to be control burns period! Yet the state is too worried about the air.

The Law of Unintended Consequences is a foreign concept to liberals.

I dont know what it is with them, but they just cannot ever understand this most basic concept.

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Utility emailed woman about problems 1 day before fire

https://www.yahoo.com/news/utility-e....tsrc=newsroom

[Jc8804]

Some people are saying direct energy weapons
Or lasers are starting these fires .

Lasers from the sky as if the gov is testing out new weapons on the population.

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Rich People Pay for Private Firefighters While the Rest of Us Burn

Insurance companies offer exclusive firefighting services for high-paying clients that can help them mitigate the worst consequences of wildfire disasters. Most other people aren’t so lucky.

By Caroline Haskins
|
Nov 13 2018, 7:22pm

At least 44 people have been killed in California a result of the wildfires that have burned more than 100,000 acres of land in the state. The most vulnerable populations, including the elderly and people with disabilities, are at the highest risk of perishing in the fires, which were made more likely by climate change that exacerbated dryness and tinder availability in fire-prone areas.

But, of course, some people can afford to opt out of climate chaos. TMZ reported Tuesday that Kim Kardashian and Kanye West paid for private firefighters to protect their $60 million home in Hidden Hills, California, after the couple evacuated the home under mandatory state orders. The firefighters were reportedly successful in saving the home.

The Kardashian-Wests are not the only people who can afford to tap into private wealth to mitigate the most costly damage of climate change-related disasters. Insurance companies such as AIG provide wildfire mitigation services that allow certain clients to reduce risk and save themselves in the event of a worst-case fire scenario.

AIG’s Private Client Group’s Wildfire Protection Unit, for instance, is made up of AIG employees who are certified through state or local authorities. In addition to protecting homes with flame ******ants, these AIG employees respond to fires and map homes in real time as wildfires approach.

According to NBC, members of AIG’s Risk Management and Loss Prevention policy group, who qualify for Wildfire Protection Unit services, occupy 42 percent of the Forbes list of the 400 richest Americans.


Wildfire mitigation is largely encouraged by coalitions of insurance companies. PURE, an insurance company that lets high-paying clients tap into the resources of Pure’s Group of Insurance Companies (including AIG), offers a Wildfire MItigation Program for residents in 11 wildfire-prone states, including California. The service, which is offered as part of a client’s regular insurance payment, includes proactive fire risk consultations and the installation of sprinklers and application fire ******ants.

Similarly, The National Association of Insurance Commissioners created the Community Wildfire Protection Plan, which essentially involves assessing different neighborhoods for their risk of wildfires so that insurance companies can act accordingly. The association also outlines possibilities of wildfire insurance arranged in tiers of most coverage to least coverage.

Just how big is this industry? For perspective, the National Wildfire Suppression Association represents 150 wildfire contract service companies with more than 10,000 employees. It can cost in excess of $100,000 just to enter the field of private firefighting work, meaning individual missions can cost insurance companies tens of thousands of dollars.


The need for a private firefighting industry is fueled by the growing risk of climate change-related damages, which is exacerbated by defunding and undermining action related to climate change at the federal level.

Trump notably halted American payment into the Green Climate Fund, a UN-organized fund designed to help economically vulnerable countries that have contributed little to climate change abide by the terms of the Paris Accord. Recently, he expressed doubt about the veracity of a United Nations report, which said that global governments would need to fundamentally restructure their economic systems in to mitigate the worse effects of climate change. This month, the EPA removed its once climate change dedicated page entirely, under the instruction of Trump and his administration.

This week, Trump blamed the severity of the California wildfires on poor forest management on the state level, a program for which he threatened to pull federal funding.



https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/a...u2LXYThi6JGhgU

[Bardamu]

Mr. Trump is suggesting that forest management played a role, but California’s current wildfires aren’t forest fires.

“These fires aren’t even in forests,” said Max Moritz, a wildfire specialist at the University of California, Santa Barbara.
Rather, the Camp and Woolsey fires, which are ripping through Northern and Southern California, began in areas known as the wildland-urban interface: places where communities are close to undeveloped areas, making it easier for fire to move from forests or grasslands into neighborhoods.

...Researchers are attributing at least part of the difference to climate change, because in a warming world vegetation dries out faster and burns more easily.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/u...ire-tweet.html

What a bunch of idiots. Yes, it is horrible forest care that is causing these fires, which are not even forest fires.


THESE FIRES ARE NOT EVEN IN FORESTS. THEY ARE NOT FOREST FIRES. #FACTS

[Bardamu]

This needed to be said. Now that Trump said it people are talking about whats really going on.
I fished in the Sierra's Sunday. My lake is still full of water. The last three years have been very wet here. Jerry brown declared the drought over this year.

I don't think people understand CA. Very well. We have a wet winter and it leads to lots of growth. Then our summers have always been 100 degrees. Put the two together and what do you get? So Cal is a desert but people don't act like it is. We pump water to so Cal so they can maintain. Ever fly over so Cal? Look at all the pools? Look at all the over growth? Look at the people with money with home in the canyons? They want that over growth.

Then there's CARB, carb restrictions regulate control burns. Yeah crazy eh? There needs to be control burns period! Yet the state is too worried about the air.

Call fire tax, there was a special tax for home owners that lived in rule areas that started in 2011. It was supposed to be for fire prevention, a audit showed zero of the funds were used for fire prevention and the state was sued. The fee was suspended but funds were never refunded.

Why is it that people can't see what's really going on here? Miss management! If you go to the doc and the doc tells you that you have to cut out smoking or you will die. It's the hard truth but do you walk out of the office and curse him? These are just facts.

Btw we are still using the same tech for putting out fires that we've been for ages. Same planes ect. How about we invest in a better way? Maybe use the funds for what they're supposed to be used for instead of padding the general fund.

Look at the Oroville dam, we paid for maintenance that was never done. The state waited for it to fail used the funds for other things and then asked the feds for emergency funding. There's a pattern here, people just need to open their eyes.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics...215458390.html

Guess how the fire started. Brown passed a bill saying PGE cant be held responsible
https://www.kqed.org/news/11705306/p...te-county-fire

You do realize these are urban interface fires, right? They are not forest fires.