George Foreman a physical freak of nature

[sonnyboyx2]

he is, but i prime lennox lewis would ko him. he have only strengt and than isnt enough. lennox lewis would out jab him and sooner or later ko him. but nomatter what he is definitely a physical freal of nature. ko moorer he was 45 thats strong by him.

you gotta be joking, Foreman would crucify Lewis, Foreman had a jab 50 times better than Lewis jab, Frank Bruno easily out-jabbed Lewis as did Vitali Klitschko, i see Foreman KOing Lewis within the opening round, if McCall could poleaxe Lewis then Foreman would decapitate him... Lewis is the most overated fighter in history, he avoided almost every fighter during the 1990s who was at the top of their game, Lewis was stripped of every title belt for refusing to fight the No1 contenders, he refused because those contenders was at the top of their game and Lewis only ever fought exposed fighters or has-beens.

Grant -- exposed by Golota
Butler -- exposed as a bum
Mavrovick -- class C fighter
Bruno --- past his best days.
Tucker -- old junkie
Fortune -- class C fighter
Golota --- had panic attack in dressing room
Tua -- fattest man to ever fight for title
Jackson -- class C fighter
Mercer -- "robbed of decision"
Morrison -- HIV and on the downslide
Botha --- exposed and years past his best
Briggs --- class C fighter
Holyfield --- years past his best & robbed of 2nd fight
Tyson -- 11yrs since butchered by Douglas (has-been)

Lennox Lewis avoided Witherspoon, Bonecrusher, Page, Hide, Ruiz, Byrd, Bowe (twice), Tyson in 96, Moorer, Sanders, Wlad, Roy Jones, Vitali (rematch) and every fighter who was at the top of their game.

[Abstraction]

Got a point.

Lewis never really faced an Elite who at the top of his game.

His best wins were against Vitali, Hasim, Bruno and Mercer (which was close in itself) imo. Maybe Grant but he became Fodder after he stepped up his level of opposition

Holyfield and Tyson were years passed their best.

[mickey malone]

you gotta be joking, Foreman would crucify Lewis, Foreman had a jab 50 times better than Lewis jab, Frank Bruno easily out-jabbed Lewis as did Vitali Klitschko, i see Foreman KOing Lewis within the opening round, if McCall could poleaxe Lewis then Foreman would decapitate him... Lewis is the most overated fighter in history, he avoided almost every fighter during the 1990s who was at the top of their game, Lewis was stripped of every title belt for refusing to fight the No1 contenders, he refused because those contenders was at the top of their game and Lewis only ever fought exposed fighters or has-beens.

Grant -- exposed by Golota
Butler -- exposed as a bum
Mavrovick -- class C fighter
Bruno --- past his best days.
Tucker -- old junkie
Fortune -- class C fighter
Golota --- had panic attack in dressing room
Tua -- fattest man to ever fight for title
Jackson -- class C fighter
Mercer -- "robbed of decision"
Morrison -- HIV and on the downslide
Botha --- exposed and years past his best
Briggs --- class C fighter
Holyfield --- years past his best & robbed of 2nd fight
Tyson -- 11yrs since butchered by Douglas (has-been)

Lennox Lewis avoided Witherspoon, Bonecrusher, Page, Hide, Ruiz, Byrd, Bowe (twice), Tyson in 96, Moorer, Sanders, Wlad, Roy Jones, Vitali (rematch) and every fighter who was at the top of their game.

So.... In other words, he fought every genuine contender of his era, with the exception of Ridickulous Bowe who threw his belt in a trash can & **** himself all the way to KFC..
Oh.... and 80's has beens like Page, Witherspoon & Bonecrusher were way past their primes during his realm.. Hyde had already been exposed by **** arse Bowe, Sanders was too busy playing golf, Moorer had a lantern chin, Wlad was too busy getting KTFO by the golfer, & Jones would'a got nicked for speeding.. I won't even comment on Johnny Louise, or a prime Vitaly who got opened up like a baked bean can against a semi retired Lewis.. 90's Foreman would'a got KO'd 4 sure, but prime Foreman would'a been a 50/50 fight cos of his power.. Your post virtually suggests that every HW contender in the history of the sport was a bum...

[BarrySlisk]

you gotta be joking, Foreman would crucify Lewis, Foreman had a jab 50 times better than Lewis jab, Frank Bruno easily out-jabbed Lewis as did Vitali Klitschko, i see Foreman KOing Lewis within the opening round, if McCall could poleaxe Lewis then Foreman would decapitate him...

Foreman has no defense. I think Lewis would win.

[paul750]

you gotta be joking, Foreman would crucify Lewis, Foreman had a jab 50 times better than Lewis jab, Frank Bruno easily out-jabbed Lewis as did Vitali Klitschko, i see Foreman KOing Lewis within the opening round, if McCall could poleaxe Lewis then Foreman would decapitate him... Lewis is the most overated fighter in history, he avoided almost every fighter during the 1990s who was at the top of their game, Lewis was stripped of every title belt for refusing to fight the No1 contenders, he refused because those contenders was at the top of their game and Lewis only ever fought exposed fighters or has-beens.

Grant -- exposed by Golota
Butler -- exposed as a bum
Mavrovick -- class C fighter
Bruno --- past his best days.
Tucker -- old junkie
Fortune -- class C fighter
Golota --- had panic attack in dressing room
Tua -- fattest man to ever fight for title
Jackson -- class C fighter
Mercer -- "robbed of decision"
Morrison -- HIV and on the downslide
Botha --- exposed and years past his best
Briggs --- class C fighter
Holyfield --- years past his best & robbed of 2nd fight
Tyson -- 11yrs since butchered by Douglas (has-been)

Lennox Lewis avoided Witherspoon, Bonecrusher, Page, Hide, Ruiz, Byrd, Bowe (twice), Tyson in 96, Moorer, Sanders, Wlad, Roy Jones, Vitali (rematch) and every fighter who was at the top of their game.

Anybody can put a biased slant on a fighter's career. The same could be done with Foreman. Saying he [Lewis] avoided those fighters at the bottom just makes a mockery of your own post. It was Bowe and Tyson who avoided Lewis. Are you honestly for real? He would have mopped the floor with most of those. Foreman was a brutal puncher, but he had serious flaws, which was why he lost even during his prime. Lewis had flaws, but they were less serious. One of them was his lack of focus, which certainly came back when fighting a dangerous opponent, and the other was his suspect chin. The chin only appeared to let him down when he didn't take his opponents seriously. He took plenty of shots throughout his career and was ok.

The Mercer fight was close and Mercer probably should have won, but the minority who say he was lucky in the second Holyfield fight are wrong. It was closer than the first, certainly, but Lewis still won. He really should have knocked Evander out in those fights anyway. Holyfield had a good chin, but Lewis could have stopped him late on had he really went for it. The Holy fights are probably as big a black mark as his losses are IMO.

That being said, Lewis looked superb at his best, and he must be regarded as a serious, serious heavyweight at his best. Foreman had the power to bust Lewis up, but his sloppy technique and fairly slow hand speed would give Lewis the ability to outbox him. That's not to say Foreman couldn't knock him out. But it's by no means an easy fight to call. ''Lennox Lewis avoided Witherspoon, Bonecrusher, Page, Hide, Ruiz, Byrd, Bowe (twice), Tyson in 96, Moorer, Sanders, Wlad, Roy Jones.''

Every one of those fighters highlighted probably wouldn't have given Lewis any tougher a fight than Vitali did. And when you consider Lewis was older and not in top shape when he fought Klitschko, that really says it all.

[sonnyboyx2]

So.... In other words, he fought every genuine contender of his era, with the exception of Ridickulous Bowe who threw his belt in a trash can & **** himself all the way to KFC..
Oh.... and 80's has beens like Page, Witherspoon & Bonecrusher were way past their primes during his realm.. Hyde had already been exposed by **** arse Bowe, Sanders was too busy playing golf, Moorer had a lantern chin, Wlad was too busy getting KTFO by the golfer, & Jones would'a got nicked for speeding.. I won't even comment on Johnny Louise, or a prime Vitaly who got opened up like a baked bean can against a semi retired Lewis.. 90's Foreman would'a got KO'd 4 sure, but prime Foreman would'a been a 50/50 fight cos of his power.. Your post virtually suggests that every HW contender in the history of the sport was a bum...

Lewis ducked Riddick Bowe in 93 by demanding 50/50 purse split and options on Bowes next 5 fights should Lewis lose... what Lewis done was deliberately "Price himself out" of the fight knowing Bowe would be stripped of the WBC belt.. Lewis turned down a then career highest purse of $12 million in 95 to fight Bowe, Lewis turned down $15 million and a gauranteed shot at the title in 96 against Tyson, he accepted a meagre $2 million step-a-side money from Holyfield and waited another 5yrs for Tyson to self-destruct even more... Witherspoon was a dangerous contender from 94 - 96, Hide was WBO champ and called out Lewis almost every week on British TV... Sanders called out Lewis throughout the late 90s.. Moorer and Foreman was both world champions in the mid 90s but Lewis wanted nothing to do with them.. Lewis turned down the largest purse in professional sports history, a staggering $35 million + PPV from HBO to fight WBA champion Roy Jones jr. ... as for John Ruiz well Lewis was stripped of the belt rather than fight the guy who had beaten Holyfield twice and put "The Real Deal" on the canvas, something Lewis never came near to doing.

[boxingbuff]

I would have loved to see the Ali-Forman fight in a normal size(20-24 Ft) ring.

Forman fought Ali in a 16 foot ring! That's very very small.Most Championship fights are in 20-24 Ft Rings. The padding on the ring floor was also very soft,so Ali could not dance and fight his fight.

Ali's last two fights against Norton and Frazier he danced 12 rounds in both fights.I'm sure he would have been dancing against Foreman in a 20-24 foot ring.Especially with a normal padded ring floor.

I'm not saying Ali would have won,in fact he may have got lucky with the 16 foot ring with a very soft padded ring.He had no choice but to go to the ropes.I believe in a normal 20-24 foot ring Ali would have won the first five rounds dancing like he did against Norton the 2nd fight.

Who would have won? I don't know.Ali said Foreman cut off the ring better than any fighter he ever fought! So would Foreman wear down a dancing Ali? Or would Foreman run out of gas first?

What do you guys think?

[mickey malone]

Lewis ducked Riddick Bowe in 93 by demanding 50/50 purse split and options on Bowes next 5 fights should Lewis lose... what Lewis done was deliberately "Price himself out" of the fight knowing Bowe would be stripped of the WBC belt.. Lewis turned down a then career highest purse of $12 million in 95 to fight Bowe, Lewis turned down $15 million and a gauranteed shot at the title in 96 against Tyson, he accepted a meagre $2 million step-a-side money from Holyfield and waited another 5yrs for Tyson to self-destruct even more... Witherspoon was a dangerous contender from 94 - 96, Hide was WBO champ and called out Lewis almost every week on British TV... Sanders called out Lewis throughout the late 90s.. Moorer and Foreman was both world champions in the mid 90s but Lewis wanted nothing to do with them.. Lewis turned down the largest purse in professional sports history, a staggering $35 million + PPV from HBO to fight WBA champion Roy Jones jr. ... as for John Ruiz well Lewis was stripped of the belt rather than fight the guy who had beaten Holyfield twice and put "The Real Deal" on the canvas, something Lewis never came near to doing.

Was this b4 or after the trash bin..? Besides there was no love lost between the 2, & Lewis had already beaten him easy in the olympics, so I suppose there wasn't much point really.. Sanders was never active enough to earn a shot, & didn't Witherspoon lose to Mercer around this time? Moorer & Foreman fought each other, & I can remember Foreman, stating that he'd much rather fight Frank Bruno as opposed to Lewis.. With the various purses on offer, one could hardly accuse him of being greedy, especially to Jones.. What did he do to deserve a shot?

[Dynamite Glove]

he is, but i prime lennox lewis would ko him. he have only strengt and than isnt enough. lennox lewis would out jab him and sooner or later ko him. but nomatter what he is definitely a physical freal of nature. ko moorer he was 45 thats strong by him.

How could you say that. An old version of Foreman would defeat a prime Lewis. It's because Lennox is mentally weaker than Foreman, and also had about a third of the chin compared to Foreman. Lewis would go down early in the fight, if George were to be knocked down by Lewis, he would get up..can you say the same for Lewis

[sonnyboyx2]

Was this b4 or after the trash bin..? Besides there was no love lost between the 2, & Lewis had already beaten him easy in the olympics, so I suppose there wasn't much point really.. Sanders was never active enough to earn a shot, & didn't Witherspoon lose to Mercer around this time? Moorer & Foreman fought each other, & I can remember Foreman, stating that he'd much rather fight Frank Bruno as opposed to Lewis.. With the various purses on offer, one could hardly accuse him of being greedy, especially to Jones.. What did he do to deserve a shot?

Witherspoon was a very `live` contender up unto his loss to Mercer, and Bowe was up for a fight with Lewis all his career but Lewis always "priced himself out" of it, as for Lewis beating Bowe in the Olympics, it means nothing, Tyrell Biggs beat both Lewis and Tyson in the Olympics yet was beaten by both in the pro ranks, Bowe improved tremendously under Eddie Futch as a professional and the Lewis camp knew it, .. Lewis wanted nothing to do with Foreman or Moorer during the mid 90s