Did Nacho outcoach Freddie?

[ShoulderRoll]

lol yeah sure, Nachtradumus

Did you see the video from training camp that I posted....what punch was used? And what punch knocked down Manny in the third round, and knocked him out in the sixth?

This was part of the game plan all along.

[SplitSecond]

Did you see the video from training camp that I posted....what punch was used? And what punch knocked down Manny in the third round, and knocked him out in the sixth?

This was part of the game plan all along.

you mean this(marquez misses it)?


same marquez from third fight
actually it's been in marquez' repotoire a long time, and he's caught pacquiao with it before, just definitely not as bad as he did in the 4th fight, which i reckon would always badly hurt pacquiao, and considering his foot placement get knocked down

but a clean spark KO from a single punch on an energetic opponent? you can't get those unless you are already a huge puncher

[Barn]

jesus, people really overrate the sht outta the backpeddling counter puncher, esspecially their boxing intelligence
you guys realise it basically takes no thought process in backpeddling and countering(compared to the chaser)?

it's simple as sht compared to trying to suprise your opponnent with every punch you throw on the guy that just waits

pacquiao wasn't simply being more aggressive, he was confusin the sht outta marquez with constant fients and sneakily closing teh distance(both of which the headmovement was granting him) and that leading left he throws leaves him in a position that marquez can't get him back from
marquez started out like he did in the 3rd fight, actually their strategy was exactly the same as that of the third fight, but down the line they thought "oh snap, we are winning, forget the ko juan, RUN!!"
marquez's game, like most counter-punchers, is to make his punches count, to counter with "power" shots
he came out like the last fight, "body shots first rd, body shots 2nd rd, suprise *****! head shot!!"

he just hadn't been roiding long enough, now he's peaked

have you went crazy lmao

[3Sun2]

yeah he out trained roach by highering memo ! if it wasnt for memo we wouldnt be having the conversation because manny was extreamly dominant in the fight ! but marquez new found streghth at the age of 40 did him in ! punches that manny used to just walk through some how knocked him out ! punches that usually knocked marquez down didnt faze him one bit ! even boxing legend roy jones and jim lampley commented on it !

[Weebler I]

Did you see the video from training camp that I posted....what punch was used? And what punch knocked down Manny in the third round, and knocked him out in the sixth?

This was part of the game plan all along.

Even if it was, Nacho couldn't have believed it would KO Pacquiao* and without the KO his fighter was losing to Roach's fighter, he was losing rounds and was cut.

Coaching one good punch does not equal out-coaching the opponent's coach whose fighter was ahead on the cards

* Nacho was said to be "shocked" at Marquez's power and explosiveness

[SplitSecond]

Even if it was, Nacho couldn't have believed it would KO Pacquiao* and without the KO his fighter was losing to Roach's fighter, he was losing rounds and was cut. Coaching one good punch does not equal out-coaching the opponent's coach whose fighter was ahead on the cards

* Nacho was said to be "shocked" at Marquez's power and explosiveness

their strategy was obviously "juan, take a sht load of bombs, get you're nose broken and he'll soon be overexcited and ready for the pickins for that magical one punch finisher we've naturally developed in the gym with practice"

[_original_]

jesus, people really overrate the sht outta the backpeddling counter puncher, esspecially their boxing intelligence
you guys realise it basically takes no thought process in backpeddling and countering(compared to the chaser)?

it's simple as sht compared to trying to suprise your opponnent with every punch you throw on the guy that just waits

pacquiao wasn't simply being more aggressive, he was confusin the sht outta marquez with constant fients and sneakily closing teh distance(both of which the headmovement was granting him) and that leading left he throws leaves him in a position that marquez can't get him back from
marquez started out like he did in the 3rd fight, actually their strategy was exactly the same as that of the third fight, but down the line they thought "oh snap, we are winning, forget the ko juan, RUN!!"
marquez's game, like most counter-punchers, is to make his punches count, to counter with "power" shots
he came out like the last fight, "body shots first rd, body shots 2nd rd, suprise *****! head shot!!"

he just hadn't been roiding long enough, now he's peaked

Honest question, how much did you cry when Pac got put into a mini coma?

[Ray Corso]

You train to what your fighter can offer!
Manny is a pressure fighter so he takes the chances and forces the fight. Is Freddy supposed to turn him into Willie Pep? After all the rounds put it by these two they might have a slightly different approach but theres no big changes. As to Juan throwing the right hand he threw it all the time in their other bouts so theres nothing new there! Throwing blame on a trainer for one bout when you consider all the victories thoughs two have had is ridiculous. Is everyone on this board a hater? Both of these trainers are very accomplished men who work extremely hard at their craft! Grow up! Ray.

[puga]

no..marquez outtrained pacqauio..luck played a lil too

[C.Y.]

their strategy was obviously "juan, take a sht load of bombs, get you're nose broken and he'll soon be overexcited and ready for the pickins for that magical one punch finisher we've naturally developed in the gym with practice"

Must be the same strategy Roach implores Pacquiao to do for every one of his fights. Or maybe Roach tells him "It's okay Manny, we will find some way for you to get the advantage. We will weight drain this guy.. Hey come here so I can give you a special blended ped free shake"