If Pacquiao loses to Marquez, Mayweather still won’t fight him

[GoldSugar]

who gives a hell? and why isn't this in the sticky Master thread?

[Rk16]

Mayweather has never turned down Pacquiao
Pacquiao has twice turned down Mayweather
Seems to anyone with a brain,getting Pacquiao to fight is the problem

[yoz]

What boxing fan still cares? Fuck Pacquiao-Mayweather.

That 'rivalry' has done nothing except help each guy to promote himself and ruin boxing forums the world over.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

[NearHypnos]

Why would he? Pac would arguably be 0-3 his last fights...

Pac stands to benefit the most fighting Floyd so it doesn't even matter. Floyd will probably make close to the same money fighting Guerrero since he'd pocket a significantly higher share and pay a lot less.

As soon as Pac has a fight coming up he talks about Floyd and how he wants him next and Floyd does the same thing. They both have no answer for "Why wasnt it Pac/Floyd now instead of next?". These guys arent afraid of each other...I just doubt they even care as much as they lead to believe. Two barking dogs.... Pac is like a dog who barks at you from indoors...doesnt matter what he wants hes not going outside. Floyd is like a chihuaha on a leash. Sees someone and runs up causing a ruckus and as soon as you make a sudden movement it runs the f uck back to it's owner barking from there.

[Larry the boss]

Why in the hell would he fight him if he loses??thats ******ed

[Jordank]

It's called taking advantage of the opportunity. It's good business, but if you use a guys name to hype yourself, you better know how to step up and fight the dude or else you'll be branded as a piggy back rider with no balls. It's shameful and disgraceful.

At this point they are both shameful and disgraceful.

[shade darkar]

mayweather wouldnt fight pacquiao for all the dollars in america.

[Brother Jay]

Pacquiao is over the hill and it'd still be the highest pay day Floyd could ever receive in boxing. Not sure what the hold up is, there's literally nothing to be afraid of yet it seems like Floyd doesn't believe he can do it.

First off, Manny Pacquiao is not over the hill. Pacquiao has all the abilities he had in previous years.

The only difference between now and then is Pacquiao made the mistake of opting to fight more mobile boxers who can actually box and move at the same time in his last two fights.

All this talk of Pacquiao losing a step or being over the hill is just preemptive excuses now that the legions of pacterds have seen the limits of what Pacquiao can do against men who aren't weight drain by mannyweights.

After having seen that, the Pacterd cult decided it was time to go into damage control. Calling Pacquiao passed prime gave him an excuse to look bad in their eyes. While at the same time any success Manny may have might be viewed as "Even though he's shot look at the warrior's heart still beating in him". Pacterds figured lowering the bar could work in Manny's favor while still allowing him to accomplish more under more seemingly difficult circumstances.

Its the same shit Pacterds pulled when Pacquiao decided to let mannyweights mar his run at WW and jrMW. They claimed that Manny was "too small" for WW ... and that catchweights have been used before. They neglected to mention that Pacquiao had been weighing in at around 144 on fight night since his fight with Barrera though.

No one buys that shit. Well no one but pacterds.

Next, why would Floyd fight Pacquiao if he lost? Pacquiao was never the draw. Pacquiao was never a top 3 WW. Pacquiao was never a top 4 jrMW. The only reason that Pacquiao got a chance for a fight with the #1 WW & jrMW in the world is because the fans wanted it.

And the biggest roadblock has been Pacquiao asking for more than his fair share. Floyd allowed Manny EVERYTHING he wanted back in 09. Even the crazy $10 million for every pound over 147. Mayweather even conceded to a testing cutoff. Then Pacquiao backed out because Floyd's primary demand was OST with USADA.

See ... this is currently the problem. Pacquiao is making demands as if he didn't just lose. Manny unofficially lost to Marquez but got a gift, but he received his karma behind that and lost to Bradley OFFICIALLY. Pacquiao is in no position to demand equal money in a match with boxing's #1 fighter and the largest draw in the sport. But apparently his cult believes that he is.

Show me proof that Manny is really willing to do WHATEVER Floyd wants. Pacquiao stating that in a video or article doesn't count as he's said this before and reneged plenty of times. I want to see Manny's name signed on a contract that reflects his understanding that he's negotiating from a position of weakness .. and as such he concedes that he cannot demand equal money.

There's more than one way to turn a fight down. Pricing yourself out of it is simply another way. Mayweather offered Pacquiao $40 million .. which is more than Pacquiao has EVER earned by a significant margin .. to make the fight. And if Pacquiao had left Arum out of this deal, he would pocket most of the money for the first time in his career!

Instead, Manny Pacquiao does questionable **** like firing VisionQwest for trying to ascertain what exactly was going on with his own finances, and clinging to Arum's empty promises, tight-fists and deep pockets when its Manny's own asss on the line in the ring and when the creditors come knocking.

How many loans does this man need to take from Arum???

And how smart does Manny have to be to see that Arum did the same thing to both DelaHoya and Mayweather before they woke up and saw how much more money was available for them personally once Arum's greedy hands were removed from THEIR pockets?

Remember, Arum told Mayweather that he couldn't guarantee the $20 million against DelaHoya because and I quote "the money just isn't there". Mayweather went on to break all records in his match against DLH BECAUSE he got rid of Arum.

Now here's the question: If Manny had to hire an outside, independent agency to sift through his own money to see where Arum was screwing him, then wouldn't getting rid of Arum .. even just for the fight against Mayweather .. be the GREATEST indication that Pacquiao really wanted to make the fight happen?

Making claims on video and in interviews means LESS THAN ZERO. Pacquiao's done it before and then turned tail each time.

If Pacquiao wants the boxing world to really believe that he has the heart to step in the ring with Floyd, he should cut the puppet strings and stop allowing himself to seem like some simple-minded, child-like imbecile who cannot think or speak for himself when Arum or Roach are in the same room. It should be embarrassing to REAL Pacquiao fans to see Manny degrade himself by pretending that Roach and Arum are his "Daddies" that he looks to for every decision he makes including which hand to use to wipe his own asss.

"Ask my pramoda".

This is a 30 something year old man who has lived in the United States for years. He's given full interviews on Jimmy Kimmel in English, but for some reason when the hard questions are asked, Manny Pacquiao falls back into an Asian stereotype and can't speak anything but limited, broken English and all eye contact goes out the door.

Everyone who has a brain knows that Arum is standing in the way of this megafight exactly in the same way he stood in the way of the Mayweather/DLH and the Mayweather/Cotto fight. Even Cotto woke up and realized that he had to cut Arum loose to get the fight with Floyd done.

Pacterds can't be that stupid. They can't really believe that Arum is looking out for Manny's best interests.

Can they?

[HughJass]

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

its still irritating that one fighter is not willing to fight another fighter..its his job

[The Big Dunn]

mayweather wouldnt fight pacquiao for all the dollars in america.

yet he offered manny a 50/50 split which manny turned down.