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Old 12-06-2019, 10:30 PM #55
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Originally Posted by Rusty Tromboni View Post
You didn't read half my post, yet I am playing dumb?

Look at what a monster Ali is in the ring with Frazier. Frazier who trained comparable to Marciano. Maybe not to the degree, but when he came to a fork in the road, he went down the lane Marciano took, not the one Galento and Tua took.

Getting hit by a 175 pound man feels WAY different than getting hit by a fellow Middleweight or Light Middleweight. That's why Hagler never abandoned his home division.
But you don't think he could have bulked up beyond 160? Again, everything you said of Marciano the man-possessed is true of Hagler. Marciano's power and the dearth of talent at Heavyweight (particularly at that time) compared to Light Heavyweight being the difference.
I read your entire post.

Anyone can bulk. I can bulk to HW if I want to. You seem to completely miss my point every time, and I have made this point on many different occasions. fighters have EFFECTIVE weights. Underneath all the bulk is a bodies natural makeup. Bone structure, tendons, lung capacity, bone density, natural muscle shape and make up. Someone could be very stocky in frame but run 20 miles every day and be someone skinny. The second they stop they slam on weight fast because they are thick in frame and their body is supposed to carry more weight. Someone could be small in frame and be carrying 25 lbs of muscle mass making them heavier but also cumbersome, musclebound and fatigued.

Yes Hagler could have bulked to 250 if he wanted, hell, Ronny Coleman went from 180 to over 300. You just can't seem to get past the scale problem. Rocky was 188 lbs and knocking down men much larger than him, (yes the best guys were smaller at the time, but he did beat up a lot of heavyweights). Rocky could bulk to 250 if he wanted, but that would take away his best attributes. Actually, when he retired he was up to 255 if I recall correctly. Funny thing is, Ruiz still looked fatter than him.


Rocky is a stocky framed fighter who trained for endurance. If you read his book he did more roadwork than any fighter I ever read about. 12 miles up and down hills in boots, every day. He trained to outlast his opponents because he wasn't fast. his best attributes were his heavy hands and his endurance. He recooperated fast and he threw more punches than anyone at heavyweight. Rocky could have easily been over 200, if he trained like the heavyweights today we are probably talking 240 and fat as a cow.

I actually laugh so hard when I see Anthony Joshua. He's got this huge arm and this small little wrist and hand, like a body builder. He's got everyone duped into thinking he's this monster of a heavyweight but in reality he just looks good. He's not monstrously strong, he's not fast, he doesnt even hit hard. And under neath that 250 lbs is that tall glass of water waiting to be broken, that 6 ft 6 natty 200 and thin in the face.

In one camp he's already down to 237, that goes to show he was massively upkeeping that 250 lbs. The second he got off gear, bulking shakes and 4 meals a day his body probably retreated at high speed. this guy could be 215 lbs easily within a year.

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