Was Prince Naseem past his prime against Barrera?

[Rocker]

Yes or no?

[Smokin'J]

i don't know but what i know is he was past boxing itself

[project xxx1]

the day hamed turned his back on brendle ingle he went downhill,barrera just got him at the right time,he wasnt past his prime but he got too big for his boots the day he walked on brenden and never performed to his peak again

[John Hue]

Yes or no?

No not physically but mentally he was performing like a jack ass . Not training properly and believing his natural talent would be enough. He got so far up his own arse he set himself up for a massive fall. Getting rid of Brendon Ingle and surrounding himself with klingons did him no favors. Look at this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ouIo...eature=related

it is part of the The Little Prince, The Big Fight series on Youtube which was made just prior to the Barrera fight to document the build up. It is a complete joke but shows what a fool he was going into the biggest fight of his career. .

[BennyST]

Is Mayweather past it now? If he lost to Pac would that mean he is past his prime?

That's the same thing with Hamed. He was undefeated and at his peak age. He may not have performed the best he ever did, but I don't think it would have mattered how good he showed up. He would have lost.

[donkim]

Is Mayweather past it now? If he lost to Pac would that mean he is past his prime?

Mayweather is arguably past his prime.there is a great misconception about athlete's being past their prime.People generally regarded being past prime as being old,shot and useless.


When an athlete struggles or isn't able to perorm to the standard that he set at his very peak,then he is past his prime.


I don't see Mayweather being as good as he was five years ago.

[Suckmedry]

Naseem didn't have the fundamentals to beat a guy like MAB.

Like I said in another thread, if you brawl with a guy who has Hamed's speed and power you will get KTFO, if you hang back, stay stationary and don't work or get intimidated you get beaten to the punch every time. Key is to keep him turning so hecan't get set to load up those big shots, take advantage of the fact he doesn't have great technique, catch him off balance when he misses, outbox him.

If he fought MAB 4-5 years earlier-same result.

Is it a coincidence the first time Naseem started looking human was when he fought a decent albeit over the hill fighter in Kevin Kelley? No, Kelley was the first guy he fought who was able to make him pay for his stupid mistakes, but luckily Naseem's natural power got him out of that one.

[Dynamite Kid]

It always comes back to the same thing with me, how does Hamed overcome the stylistic problems he had in the fight? they dont suddenly disappear because he is in his so called prime.

BTW if Hamed had not take training that seriously then how come he wasn't blowing in the fight?

Hamed got hit more and more as he moved up in class, when he fought an elite fighter, the only elite fighter he ever fought, he lost.

[GJC]

Naseem didn't have the fundamentals to beat a guy like MAB.

Got it in one.

[Dynamite Kid]

Naseem didn't have the fundamentals to beat a guy like MAB.

Like I said in another thread, if you brawl with a guy who has Hamed's speed and power you will get KTFO, if you hang back, stay stationary and don't work or get intimidated you get beaten to the punch every time. Key is to keep him turning so hecan't get set to load up those big shots, take advantage of the fact he doesn't have great technique, catch him off balance when he misses, outbox him.

If he fought MAB 4-5 years earlier-same result.

Is it a coincidence the first time Naseem started looking human was when he fought a decent albeit over the hill fighter in Kevin Kelley? No, Kelley was the first guy he fought who was able to make him pay for his stupid mistakes, but luckily Naseem's natural power got him out of that one.

Precisely.



Kelly was never that good to begin (he had loads of heart)with but he still picked holes in Hamed's technique.

Hamed suffers from what all Ingle fighters suffer from, they are strictly counter punchers where by if you dont lead to them and give them opportunity's to counter they cant set up their own attacks,they dont have the basic fundamentals like a jab etc, what happens is they leave themselves open and off balance because setting up there own offence is alien to them.

Most people dont realize that one of Barrera's strategies was to make Hamed take the lead in the fight.