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Originally posted by robertzimmerman View PostFloyd was a genius in the ring.
One of the greatest of all time.
You're obviously a huge fan. But as great as he was, there's fighters who have better resumes and who are ranked higher, even though they suffered some defeats.
Again, it's okay listing the statistics, but they need to be put into context.
Floyd's performance against Marquez was great. He looked very sharp after the lay off. But you know why he gets criticised. He gets criticised because Marquez moved up, and he was deliberately cheated on the scales in order for Floyd to gain an even bigger advantage.
Yes, Floyd moved up through 5 classes. But that doesn't automatically mean that it surpasses anyone's career who didn't achieve that feat.
Regarding Floyd's size, you simply have to note that Floyd has a huge reach of 72" which gave him huge advantages over most of his opponents. It's very rare for a guy of Floyd's size possess a reach that big. That's a big wingspan. To a guy like Floyd, reach was much more important than weight. How many times was Floyd completely outsized, in terms of height, reach and weight? That's why I consider in win over Oscar as his greatest win. Because although the win over a guy like Hatton was far more entertaining, he fought him above his best weight class with a 7" reach advantage.
You seem to be obsessed with statistics. But it's not enough, until they're objectively analysed. Otherwise, Marciano was a greater fighter than Ali, and Joe Calzaghe was a greater fighter than Roy Jones.
Again, we know that Floyd was great. But you haven't been objective. If Floyd had fought a different timeline from a tougher era, then the likelihood is that the 50-0 probably wouldn't exist. If you want to make a case for him being a better fighter than a guy like Ray Leonard on a P4P basis, then that's okay. But he doesn't possess a better resume. Because quality always trumps quantity.
Floyd won more championship level fights than Ali, Leonard, or Marciano won and still remained undefeated.
He did it while never being clearly knocked down in his whole career while all those others hit the canvas multiple times in their career.
People try to discredit Floyd by discrediting the fighters he fought while elevating fighters of the past as if those guys didn't fight their fair share of scrubs as well.
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Johnwoo8686,
You clearly did not read the entirety of my post. The reason why Ali and Jones are considered greater than Marciano and Calzaghe is because they fought more championship level fights. If Marciano had the same number of championship fights as Ali had and still retired at 49-0 then yes he would be considered greater than Ali but he isn't.
Title defences?
Top 10 ranked opposition?
What?
You simply have to take into account the level of the opposition, instead of looking at statistics.
Floyd won more championship level fights than Ali, Leonard, or Marciano won and still remained undefeated.
He did it while never being clearly knocked down in his whole career while all those others hit the canvas multiple times in their career.
Ray Leonard has a better resume than Floyd.
People try to discredit Floyd by discrediting the fighters he fought while elevating fighters of the past as if those guys didn't fight their fair share of scrubs as well.
Floyd being rated as the greatest WW of all time is absolutely ridiculous.
Yes, everyone fights scrubs. It's unavoidable. But some of the greats of the past had better wins than Floyd. But instead of acknowledging that, you just get defensive and start trying to compare statistics.
Again, Floyd was a genius. But if he fought 50 times across the 70's 80's against the best fighters, then the 50-0 wouldn't have existed.
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Originally posted by robertzimmerman View PostJohnwoo8686,
What do you class as Championship level fights?
Title defences?
Top 10 ranked opposition?
What?
You simply have to take into account the level of the opposition, instead of looking at statistics.
It's always hard to compare fighters from different weights, but again, you seem obsessed by statistics.
Ray Leonard has a better resume than Floyd.
You are discrediting the fighters of the past whilst trying to elevate Floyd's opponents.
Floyd being rated as the greatest WW of all time is absolutely ridiculous.
Yes, everyone fights scrubs. It's unavoidable. But some of the greats of the past had better wins than Floyd. But instead of acknowledging that, you just get defensive and start trying to compare statistics.
Again, Floyd was a genius. But if he fought 50 times across the 70's 80's against the best fighters, then the 50-0 wouldn't have existed.
Cotto, Canelo, Pacquiao, Mosley will all be in the hall of fame. De La Hoya and Gatti are already there. Leonard's hall of fame wins are probably Hearns, Hagler, Duran and Benitez which is four hall of famers to Mayweather's 5.
And before you say some of those guys were past prime remember that Hagler was past prime when Leonard fought him and Leonard even admitted it himself that's why he fought Hagler at that time.
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Originally posted by Johnwoo8686 View PostFloyd won more championship level fights than Ali, Leonard, or Marciano won and still remained undefeated.
He did it while never being clearly knocked down in his whole career while all those others hit the canvas multiple times in their career.
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Originally posted by Johnwoo8686 View Post
Cotto, Canelo, Pacquiao, Mosley will all be in the hall of fame. De La Hoya and Gatti are already there. Leonard's hall of fame wins are probably Hearns, Hagler, Duran and Benitez which is four hall of famers to Mayweather's 5.
And before you say some of those guys were past prime remember that Hagler was past prime when Leonard fought him and Leonard even admitted it himself that's why he fought Hagler at that time.Last edited by djtmal; 03-21-2018, 03:18 PM.
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Originally posted by Johnwoo8686 View PostFloyd won more championship level fights than Ali, Leonard, or Marciano won and still remained undefeated.
He did it while never being clearly knocked down in his whole career while all those others hit the canvas multiple times in their career.
People try to discredit Floyd by discrediting the fighters he fought while elevating fighters of the past as if those guys didn't fight their fair share of scrubs as well.
you don't compare sugar ray beating a prime ko artist in hearns, to floyd fighting a sugar shane who they had to roll into the ring in a wheelchair....or a cotto or pac who had already been raked through the coals...
people don't try to discredit these guys, they can discredit them...thats the difference....
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