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Travista and John l are a new item now, Chollo Vista is gonna be jealous. LOL.
For those who are capable of staying on topic and don't hijack threads, the original question posed in this thread was why does Johnson get a pass but Marciano doesn't. Two fighters who fought several decades apart. Back when writers and certain boxing fans were fawning over Johnson, they didn't have access to some of his fight films, or more importantly, his opponents fight films such as McVea and Jeannette, who upon further review aren't very impressive. Neither is Wills. It takes an objective mind to look at them without bias though. So for anyone who has already made up their mind that Johnson was an ATG, they likely won't be swayed or moved from that position, particularly those fans who are race-obsessed...ahem!
Johnson was romanticized through books, Hollywood and writers who needed a good hook for a story. Little has been spoken of how he often was much larger or experienced that most of his opponents, and how many of them were not as great as once celebrated. How he himself drew the color line as champion. But, that is taboo to say in this era of the racialist fans who choose their favorite fighters by the color of their skin. Gotta tow that PC line.
Anyone can look at the film available to see that Langford is the more polished of the black HWs of that era. Ahead of him time so to speak.
As for Marciano, he fought whoever was there at the time. Didn't duck anyone but the division was going through a transition period at that time. Louis was old and shot, Charles was never the same fighter after he killed a man in the ring and Walcott was getting on in years too. Moore was a decade or so older as well. In Marciano's defense, he never held a real size advantage as he was only 5'10" 180/5. He got into boxing late, and because of his exceptionally athleticism he could overcompensate for his lack of polish and finesse. I suppose the one criticism I would have of Rocky is that he retired just as things were heating up. Patterson and Liston were coming up and I think he chose to retire rather than face either of them. Though he may have had a chance to beat Patterson, Liston would have pummeled him.
it is odd though how today, fans will praise Wilder for beating a 38 year old Ortiz, yet, the 37 year old version of Louis that Marciano defeated was a far better boxer than Ortiz, and Rock was considerably smaller.
For those who are capable of staying on topic and don't hijack threads, the original question posed in this thread was why does Johnson get a pass but Marciano doesn't. Two fighters who fought several decades apart. Back when writers and certain boxing fans were fawning over Johnson, they didn't have access to some of his fight films, or more importantly, his opponents fight films such as McVea and Jeannette, who upon further review aren't very impressive. Neither is Wills. It takes an objective mind to look at them without bias though. So for anyone who has already made up their mind that Johnson was an ATG, they likely won't be swayed or moved from that position, particularly those fans who are race-obsessed...ahem!
Johnson was romanticized through books, Hollywood and writers who needed a good hook for a story. Little has been spoken of how he often was much larger or experienced that most of his opponents, and how many of them were not as great as once celebrated. How he himself drew the color line as champion. But, that is taboo to say in this era of the racialist fans who choose their favorite fighters by the color of their skin. Gotta tow that PC line.
Anyone can look at the film available to see that Langford is the more polished of the black HWs of that era. Ahead of him time so to speak.
As for Marciano, he fought whoever was there at the time. Didn't duck anyone but the division was going through a transition period at that time. Louis was old and shot, Charles was never the same fighter after he killed a man in the ring and Walcott was getting on in years too. Moore was a decade or so older as well. In Marciano's defense, he never held a real size advantage as he was only 5'10" 180/5. He got into boxing late, and because of his exceptionally athleticism he could overcompensate for his lack of polish and finesse. I suppose the one criticism I would have of Rocky is that he retired just as things were heating up. Patterson and Liston were coming up and I think he chose to retire rather than face either of them. Though he may have had a chance to beat Patterson, Liston would have pummeled him.
it is odd though how today, fans will praise Wilder for beating a 38 year old Ortiz, yet, the 37 year old version of Louis that Marciano defeated was a far better boxer than Ortiz, and Rock was considerably smaller.
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