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Old 02-24-2008, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RiZOOM View Post
10th straight away defeat...tut, tut, tut. With Wigan winning and Bolton a game in hand you could see yourselves one space from the relegation zone... oh dear, oh dear.
Its all about expectations mate. Our only expectation is to stay up this year, anything else is a bonus. Reading didnt win game in hand, Bolton arent likely to win theirs, we've got Derby away next weekend. Everything is looking decent as far as I'm concerned. We've lost a similar amount of AWAY matches as you've lost matches in total over the past few months, at least our home record is getting stronger all the time. But lets talk again about expectations, because that brings me on to an interesting point that you made.

Originally Posted by Jolly Roger View Post
Only if you believe everything you read in the southern press. There's so many myths and cliches printed it's crazy. Believe it or not we DO NOT expect to win the league or even finish in a euro spot every season and we DO NOT expect to win every game 5-0. Shocking i know.
Lets not stick to the Southern press mate. At the start of the season North East News conducted a poll asking the supporters of the North East teams where they expected to finish in the league this season. Boro were ambitious, they claimed 7th place, Sunderland fans went for 13th place (which in fairness, considering our run in, is certainly capable)...guess where Newcastle fans went? 4th place. Think about that for a minute. Thats not just suggesting that they think that they will oust one of Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool from the top 4, thats simply ASSUMING that they are going to be a better team than the remarkable strength in domestic depth of Villa, Everton and Blackburn. I'll partially accept that Portsmouth and Man City have been surprisingly good this season, but Tottenham have been surprisingly ****e too. Whats worse is that I teach at a school in Durham, so I speak to a lot of Newcastle supporters every day, many of these simply WILL NOT ACCEPT that Newcastle at the moment are not a better team than those who are ahead of them. Ridiculous fans, ridiculous expectations.

This is why you are a joke club, not just to Sunderland supporters, but you should be to every supporter in the country. We get up, spend a lot of money (because you have to) and by the looks of it MAY just stay up, thats all any promoted club can realistically look for. In the history of the Premier League, you are the third biggest spenders. There are about 10 teams in that division who look more worthy of third position than yourselves. The money we've spent this season, you've spent similar EVERY SINGLE SEASON for a decade. Where is the progress?

Which of the last 10 Newcastle managers have gone there and gone on to bigger things? I had an argument with one of my students just after Allardyce's sacking cos he was saying that they deserved a proven manager. I listed Allardyce (has a better record of recent Premier League finishes with Bolton than Newcastle have, so he's a better manager than the team he was managing), Gullit (Did some great work at Chelsea), Souness (won titles around the world), Daglish (one of the very few men to win the Premier League and Robson (one of the most proven managers in English football) and they were all either flops or shafted at Newcastle, so why would anyone want to go there?

Its a nightmare club. You dont get any time to do anything, you'll never meet the support's ridiculous expectations of expecting to be competing with Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea (at least a couple of them many fans think that they are a bigger ****ing club than). Although every man and his dog knows that Newcastle need defenders and yet every ounce of money you get, the crowd start salivating over the prospect of blowing it on a striker.

He claimed that on their day Newcastle can beat the top teams, I pointed out that on an average day they can be beat by everyone. He outright REFUSED to accept that they were, by merit, a top 10 club at best with their current squad and form. The big 4 are better. Aston Villa are better (he refused to accept this), Blackburn are better (he OUTRIGHT refused to accept this), Tottenham are a bigger club and should be better and will end up being better (refused to accept that), Portsmouth are better (despite being tonked off them, he refused to accept this), Man City are better (refused to accept), Everton are better (refused to accept). YES, Newcastle MIGHT beat them more often than not, but its not the individual games that matter, its the consistency over the season. Newcastle draw with an in-form Arsenal and suddenly they think that they have a divine right to beat the lower teams that they've been under-performing with all this time just because they have demonstrated that they can hang with Arsenal. So thats 10 clubs I've listed who are fairly undeniably in terms of performances, form and the players that they have and the work they are currently putting in. Whats more, all of these teams have good, solid and settled managers with the exception of Tottenham (who are underperforming), Chelsea (who I could manage myself and get ahead of Newcastle) and Man City (who have been blessed with a manager who is simply doing a great job. Yet they wonder why they can break into the that group with their 1 manager a year, no stability club. Fat Sam got Newcastle exactly where they deserve to be, and was sacked for it. Yet Keegan (the big hero) comes in and shames you worse in a couple of months than Sam did in his time there, and you cheer him like he's the messiah.
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