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  • Great Who Could Of Achieved More?

    Name some Great/ATG fighters, that could of achived more, but for one reason or another didn't?

  • #2
    Mike Tyson
    Riddick Bowe
    Floyd Mayweather Jr
    Naseem Hamed

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    • #3
      Joe louis - The War
      Muhammad Ali - Vietnam
      Naseem Hamed - early retirement
      Sal Sanchez - Young Death

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      • #4
        Les Darcy - Died of Scepticemea
        Harry Greb - Similar to Darcy but fought with one eye for most of his career
        Sandy Saddler - Career cut short by eye damage received in a car crash
        Salvador Sanchez - Car crash
        Marcel Cerdan - Plane crash
        Gerald McClellan - Suffered brain damage
        James Toney - Undertrained
        Riddick Bowe - Undertrained
        Jack Dempsey - Underactive
        Floyd Mayweather - Underactive
        Ray Leonard - Underactive/detached retina
        Carlos Monzon - Shoud have moved up to Lhwt
        Jack Johnson - Career spoiled by racist politics

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        • #5
          Aaron Pryor: cocaine addiction, managerial & personal problems
          Mike Tyson: prison, headcase
          James Toney: lazy glutton

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          • #6
            Ali - lost his best 4 years
            Ray Leonard - took too much time out
            Joe Louis - WWII
            Mike Tyson - if he had stuck with Teddy Atlas
            Pretty much any great black fighter competing prior to 1945, particularly at HW (Joe Louis excepted).

            I disagree with the person who cited Harry Greb. Greb was in decline at the time of his death. The only thing that would have improved on Greb's career would have been if he'd gotten a shot at Dempsey.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by EzzardFan View Post
              Ali - lost his best 4 years
              Ray Leonard - took too much time out
              Joe Louis - WWII
              Mike Tyson - if he had stuck with Teddy Atlas

              Pretty much any great black fighter competing prior to 1945, particularly at HW (Joe Louis excepted).

              I disagree with the person who cited Harry Greb. Greb was in decline at the time of his death. The only thing that would have improved on Greb's career would have been if he'd gotten a shot at Dempsey.
              Do you mean Kevin Rooney?

              Atlas was Tyson's trainer as a teenage amateur.

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              • #8
                First names that come to mind are Joe Gans, Roberto Duran, Riddick Bowe, Joe Louis, Ali.
                Last edited by NChristo; 03-26-2010, 04:10 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by EzzardFan View Post
                  Ali - lost his best 4 years
                  Ray Leonard - took too much time out
                  Joe Louis - WWII
                  Mike Tyson - if he had stuck with Teddy Atlas
                  Pretty much any great black fighter competing prior to 1945, particularly at HW (Joe Louis excepted).

                  I disagree with the person who cited Harry Greb. Greb was in decline at the time of his death. The only thing that would have improved on Greb's career would have been if he'd gotten a shot at Dempsey.
                  I was emphasizing, if he had two good eyes..

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                  • #10
                    I agree with a lot of the names that have been mentioned. I'd also throw Ricky Hatton in there. He was a great puncher...knocked a lot of people out with body shots.....but his over-reliance on this and consequent failure to learn important fundamentels, coupled with a terrible diet/lifestyle between fights led to an early demise.

                    He would have lost to Mayweather and Pacquiao (ATG's) whichever way you spin it. But if not for the above he could still be competing at a very high level. He's still only in his early 30's. A shame really.

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