How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[K-DOGG]

Which point do you want to talk about? The control of governments, or Christian Stewardship? I don't feel like debating both at the same time.

There are not two points. Government is comprised of people who are in the position to have power to act. Their actions are based upon their beliefs and supported (or not) by those who elected them...people raised in essentially the same culture.

In the West, those beliefs are predominantly Christian in orientation.

Therefore, the imbedded (let's say "incorrect") attitude of what stewardship is plays a role in our actions towards environment.

The attitude of "stewardship" you outlined, IMO, is the correct one. However, that has not been the predominant take on the word for the better part of 1000 or so years, as evidenced by where we are, today.

If "good" Christians weren't responsible for our raping and pillaging of the environment and other cultures, they certainly haven't prevented it.

For the most part, Christians have been passive, where worldly concerns are in the forefront. Yes, you are always going to have a handful, who are not, like the abolitionists prior to the Civil War; but what I am referring to is the overall majority.

History is simply this.....they have faith that God's will will be done, which is a passive attitude, not proactive.

Why? Because "this world is not my home, I'm just a passing through", to quote an old church hymn.

[FisherAmen]

I'm curious. People who grow up in other cultures, but praying to their God, what will happen to them when they die?

They must be saved the same way as anyone else. I can say that I believe that if a person truly seeks God, that they will find Him.

There are many accounts of the Lord Jesus revealing Himself to people in these dark parts of the world. In fact 60% or more of muslims to become Christians say that they converted because of a dream, NDE or revelation from Jesus Christ.

[GGG Gloveking]

There are not two points. Government is comprised of people who are in the position to have power to act. Their actions are based upon their beliefs and supported (or not) by those who elected them...people raised in essentially the same culture.

In the West, those beliefs are predominantly Christian in orientation.

Therefore, the imbedded (let's say "incorrect") attitude of what stewardship is plays a role in our actions towards environment.

The attitude of "stewardship" you outlined, IMO, is the correct one. However, that has not been the predominant take on the word for the better part of 1000 or so years, as evidenced by where we are, today.

If "good" Christians weren't responsible for our raping and pillaging of the environment and other cultures, they certainly haven't prevented it.

For the most part, Christians have been passive, where worldly concerns are in the forefront. Yes, you are always going to have a handful, who are not, like the abolitionists prior to the Civil War; but what I am referring to is the overall majority.

History is simply this.....they have faith that God's will will be done, which is a passive attitude, not proactive.

Why? Because "this world is not my home, I'm just a passing through", to quote an old church hymn.

I've shown you the scriptural basis for stewardship. Your argument, at this point, seems to be that Christians haven't done enough. That's a subjective analysis. It sounds like you're saying your standard hasn't been met. You expect Christians to be on the green movement. You expect Christians to be out acting like vigilantes, stopping rapes from happening. Your evidence isn't actual Christian doctrine, it isn't a real teaching, it's "look where we're at today" (and blame the entirety of society on Christianity).

As far as the church hymn, and this not being out home, that's correct. This isn't our home, it's our place of work. It's the place we've been placed in charge of for the time being. And we will be held accountable.

[K-DOGG]

I've shown you the scriptural basis for stewardship. Your argument, at this point, seems to be that Christians haven't done enough. That's a subjective analysis. It sounds like you're saying your standard hasn't been met. You expect Christians to be on the green movement. You expect Christians to be out acting like vigilantes, stopping rapes from happening. Your evidence isn't actual Christian doctrine, it isn't a real teaching, it's "look where we're at today" (and blame the entirety of society on Christianity).

As far as the church hymn, and this not being out home, that's correct. This isn't our home, it's our place of work. It's the place we've been placed in charge of for the time being. And we will be held accountable.

Close enough, I suppose. I expected Christians to make more of a difference than they have in the world, had they been the true vehicle of God's will; but the end result is man is going to be man, regardless of what religion he/she follows.

At the end of the day, we see it matters not whether a person chooses to believe Christian doctrine, Islamic doctrine, Jewish doctrine, Taoist, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Rastafarian, or whatever.

All of these doctrines are going to have nuggets of truth in them, bits an pieces of the divine sprinkled in among interpretive history and cultural influence; but, at the end of the day, man is going to decide how to use their contents, whether for good or ill.

They've all been used for good, they've all been used for bad; the active common denominator is always man and his choices.

….which, ultimately means we have to change ourselves from within and, so far, none of these messages has superbly crossed that line on a global scale, whether one looks at environmental impact, war, or love for one's neighbor. They have all had minor successes; but have, ultimately all failed.

Man still seeks to fill the void within, which is ironic, since that is probably where the answer is found.

[Zaroku]

I am a Jew. I am in a position of stewardship...

I believe in God..my God demands. I share whatever I have, and protect his world.

[Zaroku]

Son re read that bible.

Read about how Oppenheimer. A Jew father of the a bomb. Quoting the Vedic texts.

“Now, I am become death.. the destroyer of worlds. “


Me thinks you need a better foundation in Christ the messiah.

I am a test .. get past me...

[FisherAmen]

I am a Jew. I hAve ad uuted ut.

I believe in God..my God demands. I share whatever I have.

Do you believe the Jesus Christ is the Messiah?

[Zaroku]

You've tried to make two points, and let me demonstrate the fallacy of this point by tying it to other one. Here, you're basically saying the entire Earth is influenced by religion, by "Christian power", as you coined it. In your other point, you claimed that Christians didn't care about the Earth, since there is heaven to be distracted by.

If our global culture is influenced by Christianity, then why do some people care about the environment, like you claim Christians don't?

Talking about the Catholic Church does nothing to address the government of China, which hasn't been influenced by Christianity, or Hindu governments in India, or various middle eastern Muslim countries. Ancient Egyptians had slaves building the pyramids. There was no Christian influence there.

And realistically, what does the exertion of control by one group of people, have any bearing on the existence of heaven?

If you ever find yourself in Tokyo. My house is yours. My wife will try to marry you off... my wife looked me up. and said. ‘Are app Mexican gagsrers evil like you. ‘

My iPhone password is 010101.

My wife tells her female fans. My husband may be. Possibly connecteded to Mexican

[GGG Gloveking]

If you ever find yourself in Tokyo. My house is yours. My wife will try to marry you off... my wife looked me up. and said. ‘Are app Mexican gagsrers evil like you. ‘

My iPhone password is 010101.

My wife tells her female fans. My husband may be. Possibly connecteded to Mexican

I was watching this show on sushi last night, and thought of you. They went to different parts of Japan, showing wasabi being made, and those really expensive cows. Tokyo really looks like a cool place.

Saw a couple J women I wouldn't mind your wife hooking me up with

[Zaroku]

Do you believe the Jesus Christ is the Messiah?

Yes! Does that make me a Christian?