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  • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
    - -They were given room and board and a small wage for their work.

    Whites had to pay for room and board with no guarantee of work but that of eviction if they didn't have it, hence the westward migration that was open to blacks after the civil war.

    America was a poor country then and even now unable to shake it's substantial poor populace, most of whom are white in spite of being the worlds economic juggernaut.

    You should really study up.
    They were slaves who were told to go sleep in huts and eat hog bickle. Don't act like they had a choice.

    Tell me more about that small wage part.

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    • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
      - -1860 census detailed 1/2 million free blacks, 4 mil slaves, and 27 mil whites with the free blacks split between the north and south with 22 Mil northern whites leaving 5 mil southern whites among most of the 4 mil slaves.

      Extrapolating approximately, blacks were less than 1/5th or 20% of the population which is a significant minority.

      Minority or majority, what's your point?
      We were talking about the South where majority of slavery took place. Slaves weren't a small minority there.

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      • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
        - -That you were sold into bondage from time immemorial in Africa before the Euros were involved for a few hundred years.

        What other part of African history don't you understand?
        We are dealing with slavery in the Americas and the Europeans working them for free. We have linkages and trail. Do you have linkages and trails for that slavery that you keep bringing up?

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        • Originally posted by Tony Trick-Pony View Post
          Well, I hate to place blame on the electorate many times because I've seen the electorate not being represented by those they elect quite often. Does every politician abide by his/her campaign promises? Definitely not. I'm also not saying that many of the electorate were in favor of slavery. I would imagine some were, although it is hard to say. I'm not sure that slavery was a big issue at the time, considering how much slavery went on around the world. It was wrong sure, but in that time, it unfortunately was commonplace. Thank God it no longer is. So those elected in were most likely elected based on other issues. So for me, this gets watered down tremendously.

          As for the social contract, this is a concept I have never grasped onto or found appealing. I never signed the contract obviously and if given the choice, I would not sign it. It is a vague notion with what I believe would be many opportunities for those who are writing the social contract to bend with the times and insist that every member of society do as they say, while of course, these same people would do as they please. That's my suspicion and I have seen cases like this were an environmentalist preaches taking care of the environment and tells the masses what they should do in order to save the planet, while they tour the world in their polluting private jet. So, you see, I would not sign a social contract in fear of what these contract writers would have me doing. Haha.

          The government is an ever changing entity. It will never have any guilt and will never feel anything. It is not a person. It is made up of people who were in charge at the time and well, those people surely can be held accountable for atrocities that happened during their time in office. As with slavery, the ones to be punished obviously were the slave owners. However, of course, all of those are long gone. And even punishing their descendants isn't right either. You could have an uncle who was a serial killer but you shouldn't pay for his cimes if you didn't commit any yourself. Really, I think looking more deeply and closely at the current slave trade that is happening and seeking to squash that would be a much more productive and by far more achievable goal. I wish the news outlets would focus more attention on the current slave trade and who is behind it and how we could stop these people. I would love to see that being exposed every single day because that is a crime that could be stopped and damn sure should be.

          And your answers are usually long. Haha. But I don't mind that at all. I've noticed on many news shows, that nothing much gets resolved and very little progress is made because they are always strained for time and no one even has enough time to discuss a topic thoroughly. On here, at least we can and I'm always glad for long answers where I might learn something. Very much respect to you, sir. I look forward to your posts because I know they will be very thorough and well thought out. It's quite enjoyable!
          For your sake, I'm trying to make my post as short as possible. lol.


          I agree with some of the things you've said here. For one, I do think it's unfortunate that the electorate should have to suffer because of its representatives, but there really isn't another way around it. How can America pay for its crimes and that not affect the people when the people are America? One nation. Indivisible. Supposedly brothers. When the United States and the electorate benefited from slavery (I would say the country as a whole, including the electorate, benefited), then there was no problem. You can't reap the benefits and jump ship when a burden is to be paid.

          If a country is allowed to harm its citizens with no punishment, then that lays the groundwork for future atrocities committed by countries with no deterrence. I'm sure no one wants that.

          So the main issue is time. To that I say, better late than never. Plus, America can't really complain since it has already set a precedence for going back into time when paying reparations.

          The US government has existed since the US was formed, and hasn't ceased to exist since then. Countries apologize for their atrocities all the time. Reparations is nothing new, and the US has a history of paying reparations. It makes you wonder what is it about American slavery that makes the US stop in its tracks. It can't be the amount of time that has elapsed because other cases defy that.

          When America prospers, we all prosper. When America suffers, we all suffer.

          Reparations is not an attack on white people (not saying you see it this way, but seems a lot of posters here do). Also, reparations is not for all black people, obviously. A small number of Blacks (as well as Native Americans) also owned slaves, by the way. This is merely about the US, despite "All men are created equal" and "No person should be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law," still perpetuating slavery and even going so far in the same constitution to say that slaves are 3/5ths of a person.

          The true problem is that this country is a sham. We are supposed to behave as one entity, but we are far too divided to feel sympathy, empathy, or anything besides selfishness and greed. It's a shame.

          Personally, I wouldn't have a problem paying into reparations for Native Americans, but that's just me. I'm sure there are a plethora of people out there with grievances, and their grievances should be heard. However, when you look at US Slavery, I think most will agree that this is the most atrocious event in US History, along with the Jim Crow period.

          If we as citizens are asked to go back and make atonement for our wrongs, I don't see why a nation should be let off the hook. The United States doles out enough punishment to citizens as well as to other countries, right? There are people serving time now for atrocities they've committed years and years ago. Look at the serial rapist/killer in Cali that was just recently caught for crimes done years ago. There is a statute of limitations with some crimes, but the seriousness of the crime takes precedent. If not, then with regards to reparations, we could have just said to the Japanese, "Yea, you were wronged, but give it some time. You'll be alright." America should pay what it owes, and unfortunately, we are America. That's just the way I see it.

          With that said, I'm certainly not holding my breath. Like I said before, I would be honored to accept reparations on behalf of my ancestors, but I wish they could have gotten it themselves. I haven't asked for reparations and honestly don't care to push for it, but I do think it is deserved. If it is granted in the form of money, I'd gladly donate mine to a worthy cause concerning black Americans.
          Last edited by travestyny; 05-13-2019, 09:10 PM.

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          • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
            - -That you were sold into bondage from time immemorial in Africa before the Euros were involved for a few hundred years.

            What other part of African history don't you understand?
            So you're saying that every slave in the United States was a former slave in Africa?


            When you come back and admit that's wrong (sigh, like usual), then just abandon this thread and leave it to those with a brain, please. I get tired of correcting your stupidity.

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            • When u hunt down those slave owner from the past to punish them and ask them to pay back their wrong doing then thats fine

              But when u ask the current government for reparation from things in the past thats just pure stupidity

              Current goverment funds is from current citizens tax payers money who never had a slave why punish them?

              Yah pure stupidy right there

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              • Salute to travestyny... Holding it down as always

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                • With regards to reparations, is it due? Absolutely.

                  What is reparations by definition?

                  "The making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged."

                  Have African Americans been wronged for hundreds of years on a level greater than any other ethnic group in this country? You better believe it. Let's take a look at a few off the top of my head:

                  Slavery
                  Jim Crow
                  Mass incarceration
                  War on Drugs
                  Criminalizing black communities
                  Redlining
                  Slave Codes

                  And the list goes on and on.

                  Reparations are due on so many levels. Whites have inherently reaped the benefits of racism in this country regardless if there family moved to this country after slavery or not.

                  Why? Because the color of their skin saw to it that none of the following was ever applied to them:

                  Slavery
                  Jim Crow
                  Mass incarceration
                  War on Drugs
                  Criminalizing black communities
                  Redlining
                  Slave Codes

                  Via reparations, we must right this wrong. I believe whites are afraid that if blacks received reparations and utilized it correctly, whites know there would be a huge power shift which is what they're really fearful of. But in actuality, if that were to happen it would be only fair because the power wasn't earned from "hard work and dedication" in the first place. Land and wealth was literally stolen and passed down generation to generation and locked in.

                  Yeah, it's past due for reparations

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                  • Originally posted by DoubleLeftH00k View Post
                    When u hunt down those slave owner from the past to punish them and ask them to pay back their wrong doing then thats fine

                    But when u ask the current government for reparation from things in the past thats just pure stupidity

                    Current goverment funds is from current citizens tax payers money who never had a slave why punish them?

                    Yah pure stupidy right there
                    And I suppose all the wealth made in the past just magically dissipated and we all started over at some point :-|

                    You're welcome to take a look at this incomplete list of companies and universities that benefitted from slavery and still thrive today.

                    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/0...black-slavery/


                    Old money.

                    "America's....centuries deep in cotton money." -- Yasiin Bey

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                    • Originally posted by Chollo Vista View Post
                      Salute to travestyny... Holding it down as always
                      Man, what's good! Nice seeing you back here, though that break was well deserved!!!!

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