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  • #91
    Originally posted by ***1048;ATAS View Post
    Are you being serious right now? You're asking me to back up the claim that everything changes? This is factual. Everything in our universe changed. It's undeniable. Again, to think otherwise and to believe capitalism can last forever is incredibly ignorant.
    Yet again you progressively fall back on just the most vague explanations ever despite making a very precise definitive claim originally.

    You don't know for definite that capitalism cannot last, or for how long it will.

    At least engage in discussing factors discussing how long it will last or something, rather than proclaiming to know it all and just progressively generalising your statements.

    Here's a good start, an article and discussion:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...t-indefinitely

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1520 View Post
      Communism and socialism will never work.
      Correct.




      Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1520 View Post
      Capitalism isn't perfect, and it has it's own serious issues.
      Incorrect.

      1 out of 2 isn't bad.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Kris Silver View Post
        Yet again you progressively fall back on just the most vague explanations ever despite making a very precise definitive claim originally.

        You don't know for definite that capitalism cannot last, or for how long it will.
        Sigh. Yes I do know it cannot last forever, which was my statement. 50, 100, 500 years who knows? What we do know is everything changes. I know this is a real difficult thing for you to understand. Mankind, societies, everything, changes. That's a fact and cannot be questioned. Capitalism is a relatively new thing here. Were talking a couple hundred or few hundred years depending on how you look at it. You act as if human society will never change and never has changed. Think social evolution and human evolution in general. Try to picture 50 years from now. Then 100. Then 500. Then 1000. Will society and mankind not change, will capitalistic values always be part of society?

        At least engage in discussing factors discussing how long it will last or something, rather than proclaiming to know it all and just progressively generalising your statements.

        Here's a good start, an article and discussion:

        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...t-indefinitely
        There was never a discussion in this thread regarding how long will it last nor was the question ever brought up.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by ***1048;ATAS View Post
          Capitalism cannot continue forever obviously. Half the planet is in poverty largely because of Capitalism and Imperialism.
          This doesn't even make sense. It's like correlating heart disease/diabetes with too much exercising and too good of a healthy diet.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by ***1048;ATAS View Post
            Sigh. Yes I do know it cannot last forever, which was my statement. 50, 100, 500 years who knows? What we do know is everything changes. I know this is a real difficult thing for you to understand. Mankind, societies, everything, changes. That's a fact and cannot be questioned. Capitalism is a relatively new thing here. Were talking a couple hundred or few hundred years depending on how you look at it. You act as if human society will never change and never has changed. Think social evolution and human evolution in general. Try to picture 50 years from now. Then 100. Then 500. Then 1000. Will society and mankind not change, will capitalistic values always be part of society?



            There was never a discussion in this thread regarding how long will it last nor was the question ever brought up.
            If you take away capitalism you destroy the middle class.

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            • #96
              no communist govt or any system can have wealth, power equally distributed and no classes.

              communism fails because it tries to accomplish something that is impossible.

              and selfishness, greed, want, etc. is as natural as wanting to live.

              even hunter-gatherer societies who worked as a group did it for their own self interests.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by ***1048;ATAS View Post
                Oh so You're one of those narrow minded types, got it.

                Read Albert Einsteins "why socialism?" (What a commie bastard he was!):

                http://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism
                Albert Einstein was brilliant but his intellect was focused elsewhere. He was too busy focusing on things withing his profession/area of expertise to think things through regarding economics. He chose the more popular and simplistic option. He took the easy way out when it comes to politics. It's always easier to be in favor of "free education for all", "free healthcare for all", then to think things through and what is more efficient.

                Liberal Socialism [and varieties of it] appeal to the emotion whereas Conservatism/Capitalism appeals to the intellect . It's always harder and more challenging to defend Capitalism....because if you don't do it right you leave yourself open to the ad-hominem's of being called a bad person.
                Last edited by One_Tycoon; 03-12-2014, 08:37 PM.

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                • #98
                  equality for all is stupid and unattainable.

                  because people aren't equal. some work harder, some are smarter, etc.

                  to have everyone to be equal is to punish those who could have done better and reward those who don't deserve it.

                  think of how silly the concept of everyone equal is applied in other things. imagine a school where everyone gets b, imagine an army where every soldier is a major, it's silly and wouldn't work.

                  equality is unattainable.

                  equal opportunity is somewhat. and that's what we should strive for.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by ***1048;ATAS View Post

                    Trading a goat doesn't equal capitalism btw lol
                    Yes it does. Trading/bartering = a component of a Free market Capitalist system where individuals participate in mutually beneficial exchanges of goods and/or services. You give me this, I give you that! Along with private property rights...those are one of the basic components of Capitalism....before you get all giddy about Multi-national Corporations.

                    feudalism lasted a long time. Everything in this universe evolves, everything. To think one economic system will simply last forever is very ignorant. No one knows what societies and technology will be like 50, 100 or 500 years from now. Everything changes. It's only matter of when and how.
                    All of your systems that end with an -ism [socialism, communism, feudalism] involve coercion & usurpation using the power of the state. They've all been tried and they all ultimately fail...especially if tried on a bigger scale. But not Capitalism. Capitalism simply exists wherever it is left unmolested. It is the part of the Market that is left free....i.e. trading or selling goats to make a profit. The more of it, the marrier.

                    Pure Capitalism would be the real evolutionary progress in that it would require a society comprised of individuals to leave each other alone and to enact a small central Govt [if one is needed] that would leave everybody alone....without any political favoritism or having the power to dole out favors int he 1st place. You want progressive Socialism? How about you start in your own "hood" first with immediate families...mother, father, daughter, son, brother, sister taking care of each other in Altruistic fashion before you try to implement it's principles on a mass scale.

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                    • Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
                      equality for all is stupid and unattainable.

                      because people aren't equal. some work harder, some are smarter, etc.

                      to have everyone to be equal is to punish those who could have done better and reward those who don't deserve it.

                      think of how silly the concept of everyone equal is applied in other things. imagine a school where everyone gets b, imagine an army where every soldier is a major, it's silly and wouldn't work.

                      equality is unattainable.

                      equal opportunity is somewhat. and that's what we should strive for.
                      STFU Kim Jong Un!

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