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  • STREET CLEANER
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    Originally posted by LarryX.... View Post

    I dont recall any other president inciting a mob to overturn an election and storming the damn capitol either
    You have evidence of this?

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  • GhostofDempsey
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    Originally posted by famicommander View Post

    1. Two of the three crimes listed on the search warrant don't hinge on whether or not the documents were classified. Even if they were all declassified it doesn't mean Trump has the right to take them and store them in his house if
    A) any of them had to do with national security
    B) any of them had to do with any ongoing investigations, lawsuits, or ongoing criminal cases (such as his ongoing tax cases or the January 6 hearings, among others)
    C) even if none of the above is true, storing declassified stuff in his home instead of the archives makes it impossible for the government to comply with Freedom of Information Act requests. If I send in a FOIA request for some of that declassified information the government literally wouldn't be able to fulfill its legal obligation because instead of sitting in the archives the information is sitting in Trump's pool house. Whether or not it was declassified is immaterial to the question of who actually owns it. In this case the Archives own it.

    2. If the documents in question HAD been declassified they should have been marked as such and apparently they weren't. The way it works is that any document marked as classified must be treated as classified even if the classification was in error. If it has been declassified then it's supposed to have a cover letter explaining on whose authority it was declassified and when, and all the stamps on every page marked classified would have to be stamped over as declassified.

    The fact that you immediately brought up the classification status of the documents tells me that you don't even know what crimes he's being investigated for and are just parroting the talking points the Trump camp sent out to their talking heads to rile up idiots to be outraged on his behalf.
    No one knows what he is being investigated for and what drove the warrant until the affidavit is released. All former presidents possess a security clearance. Obama took countless classified records with him upon leaving office. Presidents have the authority to declassify any document just on their word. He claims whatever he possessed he had declassified. The markings are a minor technicality that happen frequently. An administrative error that won’t be held against him personally as he isn’t responsible for marking them, or packing them, or storing them. FBI visited him in June, all was good. Told him to put a padlock on the room storing the records. He complied. This is a fishing expedition at the very least.
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  • famicommander
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    Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post

    What did Trump do? No evidence that he stored classified illegally.
    1. Two of the three crimes listed on the search warrant don't hinge on whether or not the documents were classified. Even if they were all declassified it doesn't mean Trump has the right to take them and store them in his house if
    A) any of them had to do with national security
    B) any of them had to do with any ongoing investigations, lawsuits, or ongoing criminal cases (such as his ongoing tax cases or the January 6 hearings, among others)
    C) even if none of the above is true, storing declassified stuff in his home instead of the archives makes it impossible for the government to comply with Freedom of Information Act requests. If I send in a FOIA request for some of that declassified information the government literally wouldn't be able to fulfill its legal obligation because instead of sitting in the archives the information is sitting in Trump's pool house. Whether or not it was declassified is immaterial to the question of who actually owns it. In this case the Archives own it.

    2. If the documents in question HAD been declassified they should have been marked as such and apparently they weren't. The way it works is that any document marked as classified must be treated as classified even if the classification was in error. If it has been declassified then it's supposed to have a cover letter explaining on whose authority it was declassified and when, and all the stamps on every page marked classified would have to be stamped over as declassified.

    The fact that you immediately brought up the classification status of the documents tells me that you don't even know what crimes he's being investigated for and are just parroting the talking points the Trump camp sent out to their talking heads to rile up idiots to be outraged on his behalf.

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  • GhostofDempsey
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    Originally posted by famicommander View Post

    This thread isn't about Clinton, Bush, or Obama you clown. This thread is about Trump storing documents he shouldn't have at his private residence, likely because some of said documents incriminate him in some of the various other investigations and lawsuits he finds himself in.

    Trump should be punished for what he did.

    Now, if after that is done we want to go after all the other former presidents too, I'm down for that. But pointing out the "good" you perceive Trump to have done or the bad you perceive other presidents to have done has nothing to do with whether or not Trump stole and illegally stored a bunch of stuff that belongs in the Archives at his home. Which, it appears, he did.
    What did Trump do? No evidence that he stored classified illegally. List all his failures as president and what you think he is guilty of, and try doing it without the childish insults if you are able to rise about that.

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  • famicommander
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    Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post

    You’re the one who entered this thread with deflection. Trump accomplished more good in his first three years as president than Clinton, Bush and Obama combined.
    This thread isn't about Clinton, Bush, or Obama you clown. This thread is about Trump storing documents he shouldn't have at his private residence, likely because some of said documents incriminate him in some of the various other investigations and lawsuits he finds himself in.

    Trump should be punished for what he did.

    Now, if after that is done we want to go after all the other former presidents too, I'm down for that. But pointing out the "good" you perceive Trump to have done or the bad you perceive other presidents to have done has nothing to do with whether or not Trump stole and illegally stored a bunch of stuff that belongs in the Archives at his home. Which, it appears, he did.

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  • GhostofDempsey
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    Originally posted by famicommander View Post

    If you think I'd ever defend Joe Biden or any other politician in any other context you're as dumb a your big orange cult leader. Stop deflecting. Trump is just as bad as all the other politicians and you only embarrass yourself defending him.
    You’re the one who entered this thread with deflection. Trump accomplished more good in his first three years as president than Clinton, Bush and Obama combined.

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  • famicommander
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    Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post

    Speaking of “Al Qaeda”, Brandon left billions of dollars in weapons, aircraft, computers and equipment. Some of which was most certainly classified. Now it’s in the hands of Afghans, Chinese and Russians. If anyone should be questioned foe their handling of classified info it’s Creepy Joe and his woke general.
    If you think I'd ever defend Joe Biden or any other politician in any other context you're as dumb a your big orange cult leader. Stop deflecting. Trump is just as bad as all the other politicians and you only embarrass yourself defending him.

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  • GhostofDempsey
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    Originally posted by famicommander View Post

    It's standard procedure not to release an affidavit until charges are filed. The affidavit would be released as part of the normal discovery process.

    Releasing the affidavit before charges are filed would put all of the witnesses and FBI agents in danger of tampering by Trump's lawyers and/or the Y'allQaeda cult that surrounds him.
    Speaking of “Al Qaeda”, Brandon left billions of dollars in weapons, aircraft, computers and equipment. Some of which was most certainly classified. Now it’s in the hands of Afghans, Chinese and Russians. If anyone should be questioned foe their handling of classified info it’s Creepy Joe and his woke general.
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  • kara
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    Originally posted by Vlad_ View Post
    KGB became the FSB.
    That's where Freedom is.

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  • GhostofDempsey
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    Jim Jordan says 14 FBI whistleblowers have come forward

    More than a dozen FBI whistleblowers have come forward to Republican investigators in Congress, according to Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH).

    The congressman, who is the ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, told Fox News host Trey Gowdy the number has risen to 14 after the FBI raid at Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort.

    During a conversation about alleged politicization at the Justice Department, along with former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe, Jordan made the case that the public has "figured it out" when it comes to what he characterized as the Left generating a lie, the "Big Media" reporting the lie, Big Tech amplifying the lie, and then both piling on Republicans when they catch on and say something. He said there are agents in the bureau who have realized the same.

    Fourteen FBI agents have come to our office as whistleblowers, and they are good people," Jordan said. "There are lots of good people in the FBI. It's the top that is the problem. Some of these good agents are coming to us, telling us what is baloney, what’s going on — the political nature now of the Justice Department — God bless them for doing it — talking about the school board issue, about a whole host of issues."

    This would appear to be quite a bump from a little more than two months ago, when Jordan told Fox News host Laura Ingraham that, in total, six FBI officials have approached the committee, two related to a controversy surrounding a school boards memo and four related to Jan. 6. At the time, in early June, Jordan sent a letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray warning that multiple former FBI officials were coming forward with information suggesting the bureau was "purging" employees with conservative viewpoints.

    On the Senate side, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) has disclosed his team received whistleblower disclosures, including disclosures related to the federal investigation into Hunter Biden.

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