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  • Originally posted by Marchegiano View Post



    Dumb Dane

    Belarus



    **** man.

    Belarus has the 86th strongest economy in the world. Denmark is 37th.


    Sounds like the dumb danes could bully Belarussians without NATO ... if they were dicks like the slavs clearly are. Best watch your mouth before Denmark smacks you with its troll nose.
    Danes were conquered in 6 hours by Germans in ww2

    you stoopid puto rican Soymerican

    Your Barbie watching azz would get smacked by Soymark’s troll nose

    Silly puto rican equates gdp size with winning wars

    Yet the US has been on a string of consecutive losses

    poor marcie cannot fend for herself

    Biting the curb daily

    Writing the way a toothless crackhead speaks​

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    • Originally posted by Dr. Z View Post



      The worth of Hawaii to the USA is worth far more than 160 billion or whatever amount you can find that we spent on this war.

      This war has boiled down into a modern day trench warfare with neither side advancing much.

      It is time we stop investing in this blood bath.

      Trump should call for talks in June. It seems we are arguing for the same side of the coin.






      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64656301[/FONT][/COLOR]
      I feel like you missed my point. You don't have to defend your stance of it's too much. That's an opinion. My point was presenting 60 bill like it's a lot in the context of nation building is either ignorant or disingenuous.



      To bring that into more focus, we're in agreement Hawaii is worth more than 160 bil. That was actually meant to be a supporter of the point. I was citing the cost of the nukes alone, that we made because Japan attacked a state. You attack a state as a nation and you can expect 160 or more in response, for sure. Because national defense and international geopolitics is big money.



      60 billion you can tell me is too much to spend on Ukraine, that's your opinion.

      60 billion to protect an ally is not a lot of money, it's not an inordinate amount of money, the UK got somewhere around 180 billion and 70 years to pay it back.

      If your opinion is Ukraine is not at least worth 1/3rd of the UK as an American ally, I can respect this. Maybe they are not.

      But if your stance is 60 billion is an inordinate amount for America to spend on an ally, that's just not true.



      Hope I clarified. If not, sorry to waste your time.

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      • Originally posted by Marchegiano View Post

        I don't think those of youse who advocate this stance put enough thought into geopolitics and the value of nation building.

        Just the oil alone. America made 332.9 billion on oil in 22.

        This all kicked off after Exxon found oil fields in Ukraine that would, if kept ukrainian and under the control of western oil companies like exxon and shell, cut Russia off the Euro market. Which generated 210 billion in the EU in 22.

        Russia provided 30% of that 210 billion.

        30% of 210 is abouts 60 isn't it?


        That is just the oil.


        What is the geographic worth of Hawaii to America? 2 nuke innit? about 160 billion.


        What is the dollar value to having American bases in Ukraine?


        So on.






        Just to be clear, I am not telling you, you are wrong, I'm just saying y'all throw around 60 bil like it's a lot of money in US geopolitical nation building. It's not really.
        Spot on. Maintaining a vastly outsize military isn't just for ****s and giggles... the US - or rather US businesses (and to a lesser extent those of their allies) gain vast profits through the preferential access to global resources and markets that is upheld and enforced by the implicit threat of overwhelming US violence.

        Worth reflecting on the Clauswitzian maxim that war is simply politics continued through other means. And politics? - pithiest definiton I ever saw describes politics as 'the negotiation of advantage between groups or individuals'

        However just because US business and financial interests benefit vastly from the huge US militatry expenditure it doesn't necessarily follow that Joe Public does. After all they foot the bill for the military but are lucky if they see a fraction of profits that come back. As ever another way of syphoning public money into private pockets..

        Worth noting of course that the US in Ukraine and subsequently in control of the Black Sea > Causcasus > Caspian > central asia would also be a death knell for Russia, stripping away it's own preferential access to the markets and resources of these regions and undercutting is vital petrochemicals trade... which is why of course, IMO, Putin decided they needed to make a stand a now, while it might still be possibble.. at least IMO. Wait until the 6th Fleet was moored at Sevastopol and Ukraine was in NATO and Russia wouldn't be able to do **** to stop em pursuing further ambitions.

        Oh yeah. And worth noting not just Ukraines oil of course (although this pales besides the far richer rewards further East which control of the Black Sea would open up) but it's extremely productive agricultural land... that's of course not mention it's extremely significant geostrategic location

        Puts me in mind of the quote attributed to Kissinger (although it's disputed he actually said it)


        Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world.



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        • Originally posted by GrandpaBernard View Post
          Miss Democratic Dane Nelsie wants western interference in the Georgian government. Stop tripping over yourself dumbo!

          Georgia is against becoming the next natoKraine
          You are again coming with the Russian backwards logic. It’s the Georgians that wants the EU. Not the other way around. They have had enough of the Russian occupiers as all other neighbors of putins russia.


          incorrect you illiterate imbecile

          UA will not be getting enough in time.
          I see. When is it too late according to you?


          The US is refilling its own depleted stockpile in case of China and Iran
          They are refilling and making room for all the new stuff, by handing the old stuff to Ukraine. Smart move so that the US don’t have to pay to scrap it.

          America is outpaced by eastern arms production
          source or can we just dismiss your bold claim?
          undertrained conscript reserves being most of Estonia a tiny piece of land

          With a mini standing army of 4000

          A recipe for being overtaken rapidly
          Plenty of reserves as I already posted. Laugh all you want, but it’s more than the union state member the dictatorship of Belarus.

          nato cannot protect the baltics
          Yes they can.
          the baltics role is to sacrifice itself, be a battleground, and prevent damage to the real West
          General Pothead the elder has spoken!
          Belarus has nukes and is about the size of the the entire Baltics

          unlike the baltics Belarus is capable of fighting off possible attackers and would not be overrun

          Dumb Dane Nelsie always embarrassing herself with an inability to INTERPRET the facts
          The belarus army is defenseless. Pure Soviet trash.

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          • Originally posted by GrandpaBernard View Post
            The US has recently failed at nation building with Afghanistan and Iraq

            Corrupt and broken natoKraine isnt looking like an exception

            You speak of wasted billions on natoKraine as if it’s something to be proud of:

            borrowing money from China to fund a losing war

            That simultaneously increases China’s leverage and has expanded the Russian military

            Russia has taken the territory to control UA’s oil and trade. UA shown itself incapable of taking this land back last summer

            Let start with the Americans. Because we know you euros would itch out when the Americans tap out

            Do explain the benefit to Americans who have no say in funding this war with their taxes

            Foreign aid is taxation without representation which goes against your value of democracy

            the US carried on after losing Nam, Afghanistan, and Iraq
            ​UA went for a massive land grab last summer. And it backfired

            regarding land gains trench warfare is a whole lot of nothing then a whole lot of something

            during ww1 neither side took gained much for a good 3.5 years. You’re currently going through year 3

            The Russian Empire made GAINEZ in year 1. Additional GAINEZ when Ukrainian depletion renders it near defenseless

            Continued support of UA will see Russia turning a third of it into West Russia

            Grind the enemy away then take land

            It is only a matter of time. The majority of Europeans and Americans want pressure on UA to the negotiating table
            Iraq and Afghanistan is Muslim tribal countries not comparable to Ukraine. Look for how Poland, Romania etc. all benefitted immensely from leaving sovjetrussian sphere of influence and joining EU. Both just as or more corrupt than Ukraine at the time.

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            • Originally posted by Marchegiano View Post



              Dumb Dane

              Belarus



              **** man.

              Belarus has the 86th strongest economy in the world. Denmark is 37th.


              Sounds like the dumb danes could bully Belarussians without NATO ... if they were dicks like the slavs clearly are. Best watch your mouth before Denmark smacks you with its troll nose.
              Originally posted by GrandpaBernard View Post
              The US has recently failed at nation building with Afghanistan and Iraq

              Corrupt and broken natoKraine isnt looking like an exception

              You speak of wasted billions on natoKraine as if it’s something to be proud of:

              borrowing money from China to fund a losing war

              That simultaneously increases China’s leverage and has expanded the Russian military

              Russia has taken the territory to control UA’s oil and trade. UA shown itself incapable of taking this land back last summer

              Let start with the Americans. Because we know you euros would itch out when the Americans tap out

              Do explain the benefit to Americans who have no say in funding this war with their taxes

              Foreign aid is taxation without representation which goes against your value of democracy

              the US carried on after losing Nam, Afghanistan, and Iraq
              ​UA went for a massive land grab last summer. And it backfired

              regarding land gains trench warfare is a whole lot of nothing then a whole lot of something

              during ww1 neither side took gained much for a good 3.5 years. You’re currently going through year 3

              The Russian Empire made GAINEZ in year 1. Additional GAINEZ when Ukrainian depletion renders it near defenseless

              Continued support of UA will see Russia turning a third of it into West Russia

              Grind the enemy away then take land

              It is only a matter of time. The majority of Europeans and Americans want pressure on UA to the negotiating table
              ...


              Troll nose = Pee-pee​



              Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post
              You are again coming with the Russian backwards logic. It’s the Georgians that wants the EU. Not the other way around. They have had enough of the Russian occupiers as all other neighbors of putins russia.


              I see. When is it too late according to you?



              They are refilling and making room for all the new stuff, by handing the old stuff to Ukraine. Smart move so that the US don’t have to pay to scrap it.



              source or can we just dismiss your bold claim?

              Plenty of reserves as I already posted. Laugh all you want, but it’s more than the union state member the dictatorship of Belarus.


              Yes they can.

              General Pothead the elder has spoken!


              The belarus army is defenseless. Pure Soviet trash.
              And there it is.

              I told you TardyNardy. I'm just running distraction. It's Nelly you need to watch.

              Pole'd ya good
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              • Originally posted by Citizen Koba View Post

                Spot on. Maintaining a vastly outsize military isn't just for ****s and giggles... the US - or rather US businesses (and to a lesser extent those of their allies) gain vast profits through the preferential access to global resources and markets that is upheld and enforced by the implicit threat of US violence.

                Worth reflecting on the Clauswitzian maxim that war is simply politics continued through other means. And politics? - pithiest definiton I ever saw describes politics as 'the negotiation of advantage between groups or individuals'

                However just because US business and financial interests benefit vastly from the huge US militatry expenditure it doesn't necessarily follow that Joe Public does. After all they foot the bill for the military but are lucky if they see a fraction of profits that come back. As ever another way of syphoning public money into private pockets..

                Worth noting of course that the US in Ukraine and subsequently in control of the Black Sea > Causcasus > Caspian > central asia would also be a death knell for Russia, stripping away it's own preferential access to the markets and resources of these regions and undercutting is vital petrochemicals trade... which is why of course, IMO, Putin decided they needed to make a stand a now, while it might still be possibble.. at least IMO. Wait until the 6th Fleet was moored at Sevastopol and Ukraine was in NATO and Russia wouldn't be able to do ****.
                The British Empire at the peak of its powers was stronger than this past prime America

                It went down within a century by overextending itself

                Pacific tech and Mid East oil eclipses UA

                DC is losing its proxy war and has no way out

                ​dumbo marcie is running on sunk cost fallacy

                Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post
                You are again coming with the Russian backwards logic. It’s the Georgians that wants the EU. Not the other way around. They have had enough of the Russian occupiers as all other neighbors of putins russia.
                Yet Georgia has this bill to kick the EU out

                having your country destroyed as a proxy is not worth being g@y as the EU

                Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post
                I see. When is it too late according to you?

                They are refilling and making room for all the new stuff, by handing the old stuff to Ukraine. Smart move so that the US don’t have to pay to scrap it.
                old stock is depleted

                UA lacks supplies to launch an offense this year. down from an average of one major offense every year

                and has been losing since q4 2022
                Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post
                source or can we just dismiss your bold claim?
                Ukrainian soldiers on the frontline

                countless mainstream western publications. Surely you aren’t too slow to look this up

                both admit to UA being out blasted

                I think they have a better idea than a Danish soyling who’d behind female troops in a war

                Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post
                Yes they can.

                General Pothead the elder has spoken!


                the elder. Irony is you’re getting sonned by one half your age. And neighbors with pothead Netherlands. Your glass brain further ruined by their second hand smoke

                The Estonian prime minister, Kaja Kallas, said that the country would be wiped off the map and the historic old town of the capital, Tallinn, would be razed to the ground under the current NATO plans to defend Estonia from any Russian attack.

                According to the Financial Times, Kallas said NATO’s existing defence plans for Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were to allow them to be overrun before liberating them after 180 days. “If you compare the sizes of Ukraine and the Baltic countries, it would mean the complete destruction of countries and our culture,” Kallas noted, according to the London-based newspaper.


                On Wednesday, June 22, the Prime Minister of Estonia, Kaja Kallas, made a stunning admission: NATO has no plans to defend the Baltic states. Instead, according to her, NATO expects that Russia can conquer these NATO member states in a very short time, and will invade to liberate them 180 days later. If what she is saying is true, this is a massive reproach of NATO’s expansionist policies [which she inexplicably still supports] in that NATO keeps adding members it can’t or won’t protect, and who also contribute little or nothing to the alliance’s military capacity. She refers to the NATO troops in Estonia as nothing but a “tripwire”, meaning they are being used as hostages to “prevent” war. This is shameful for everyone involved, and makes this alliance the worst possible option for the Baltic States: if they will fall under complete Russian military domination anyway, how is it better to then be guaranteed as a battleground between two major powers? The Baltic States are not large, and could be destroyed entirely if they were to “host” a major conflict.

                Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post
                The belarus army is defenseless. Pure Soviet trash.
                Soviet trash killed 75% of Germans in ww2

                If it’s trash, that make Soymark utter garbage as it was conquered in 6 hours

                Given that Danes are as weak as they are dull I’d bet on Belarus wiping its AZZ with Soymark

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                • Originally posted by GrandpaBernard View Post
                  Danes were conquered in 6 hours by Germans in ww2

                  you stoopid puto rican Soymerican

                  Your Barbie watching azz would get smacked by Soymark’s troll nose

                  Silly puto rican equates gdp size with winning wars

                  Yet the US has been on a string of consecutive losses

                  poor marcie cannot fend for herself

                  Biting the curb daily

                  Writing the way a toothless crackhead speaks​
                  i can see why now ive come across nelson... if russia put it on them they would fold again

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                  • Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post
                    Iraq and Afghanistan is Muslim tribal countries not comparable to Ukraine. Look for how Poland, Romania etc. all benefitted immensely from leaving sovjetrussian sphere of influence and joining EU. Both just as or more corrupt than Ukraine at the time.
                    Corrupt UA isnt getting the job done whether it be democracy or on the battlefield

                    Tiny Estonia and Belarus have a higher standard of living than UA. Yes, Belarus THE Russian COLONY has outperformed UA

                    Tribal Muslims are balling out of control in Saudi Arabia and the Emirates

                    Tribal Muslims made the Emirates so prosperous and rich that the ruler of Dubai does not need security

                    Let not be unprofessional and denigrate Tribal Muslims just because Gheyrope sucks at assimilating its Islamic population

                    Originally posted by Marchegiano View Post



                    ...


                    Troll nose = Pee-pee​





                    And there it is.

                    I told you TardyNardy. I'm just running distraction. It's Nelly you need to watch.

                    Pole'd ya good
                    toothless marcie went from their champion g@ydiator to spectator

                    poor girl now dreams of being pegged orally

                    ​I imagine the only things you’d be good for is running or swallowing

                    nelsie and Billy rotating as they spit roast marcie during their Eiffel Tower sessions

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                    • Originally posted by Prince Madison View Post

                      i can see why now ive come across nelson... if russia put it on them they would fold again
                      I do not think this Nelson geezer is a bad person with bad intentions per se

                      Rather idealistic and low information

                      A poor combo that results in useless idiocy
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