PED ERA vs OST ERA: Where do we draw the line when measuring past vs present fighters

[Dosumpthin]

1st I would like to say

THANK YOU FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR for introducing OST to boxing in 2010.






I propose that=%%) when comparing the resumes/achievements/legacy of past and present ATGs - it is important to distinguish between PED ERA (little to no drug testing -2010) or OST ERA (Olympic Style Testing +2010).

[Eff Pandas]

B+ trolling I'm sure you'll get some fun posts in this thread or if you're serious I don't think much of a line in boxing history has been made yet.

I think before we can have the PED era & a OST era we'd need all the abc groups to be testing the best fighters in the game AT A MINIMUM. And til all boxers are being randomly tested I think there is an argument that the PED era isn't over.

But me personally I think there is a huge difference between the abc ranked & legit top ten guys in boxing vs the rest of boxing. There is unofficial major & minor league in pro boxing between those two groups for me. So if all the world class abc ranked guys (which should include the legit top ten) were being OST then I'd see that as a pretty important victory against PEDs & a line drawn historically. How big you or I see that line is up for discussion itself doe cuz I kinda think this PED thing is unstoppable & will become impossible to detect at some point so is a losing battle anyway at the end of the day.

[RL_GMA]

Are we assuming fighters from the 30s-40s used "PEDs" as well?

[_Rexy_]

Are we assuming fighters from the 30s-40s used "PEDs" as well?

Right? Are we really saying that in over 200 years of boxing, there is just the PED era, and now this?

Also, problem with the time when PEDs were prevalent (late 80's to late 90's would be my guess) It's hard to really tell who was and who wasn't. Mike Tyson looked like an attack dog from age 13 until he retired, no real change to his body, then you have Evander Holyfield who gained 14lbs of muscle between the second and third Bowe matches.

[Eff Pandas]

Right? Are we really saying that in over 200 years of boxing, there is just the PED era, and now this?

Thats a legit question, troll thread or not. When does the PED era start? When did PEDs become a thing in boxing? I always think of that 1976 womens East German team that had mustaches & balls slipping out of their onesies they were so PED'd up as the beginning of the PED era in sports, but I'm not entirely sure thats correct & I'd assume boxing come later on.

Randomly who was the first guy legit busted for PEDs in boxing? Thats a goddamn trivia question.

[mcdonalds]

Thank you TBE for exposing frauds like #48 then beating his ass when he finally wanted to cash in.

[_Rexy_]

Thats a legit question, troll thread or not. When does the PED era start? When did PEDs become a thing in boxing? I always think of that 1976 womens East German team that had mustaches & balls slipping out of their onesies they were so PED'd up as the beginning of the PED era in sports, but I'm not entirely sure thats correct & I'd assume boxing come later on.

Randomly who was the first guy legit busted for PEDs in boxing? Thats a goddamn trivia question.

And what's considered a PED? Just steroids? Look at baseball with all the **** about Steroids in the 90's but nobody mentions how guys were popping greenies between innings in the 60's-80's

[Eff Pandas]

And what's considered a PED? Just steroids? Look at baseball with all the **** about Steroids in the 90's but nobody mentions how guys were popping greenies between innings in the 60's-80's

Yea another good question.

Idk the progression of the current Banned Substances List off the top of my head or how long its even been around. And I got problems with the current Banned Substance List so I imagine others might as well.

But I think a fair starting point is anything on the Banned Substance List should be considered a PED cuz otherwise you are arguing too much opinion bs with whats "really" a PED.

[_Rexy_]

Yea another good question.

Idk the progression of the current Banned Substances List off the top of my head or how long its even been around. And I got problems with the current Banned Substance List so I imagine others might as well.

But I think a fair starting point is anything on the Banned Substance List should be considered a PED cuz otherwise you are arguing too much opinion bs with whats "really" a PED.

and therein lies another problem, what's considered a PED today could have been fine 2 years ago. Hell, I remember when you used to be able to legally buy Prohormones before people realized they were basically just oral steroids. Ditto ECA, Clen, etc.

Hell, Steverne got fined something like $75k for failing a test because he had a damn protein bar before his match, and there was a banned substance in a store bought protein bar. That's a little crazy to me.

Also, what year was the whole Panama Lewis "not that bottle, the one i mixed" fight? Once that was caught on live TV, I wouldn't be surprised if that's when the testing really got started.

[Eff Pandas]

and therein lies another problem, what's considered a PED today could have been fine 2 years ago. Hell, I remember when you used to be able to legally buy Prohormones before people realized they were basically just oral steroids. Ditto ECA, Clen, etc.

Thats a whole other thing doe. I'd argue if its legal in 2011 & made illegal in 2012 & you used it in 2009 than you're good & if you got busted in 2013 you aren't.

You can't predict what may or may not be illegal at some point. I understand what you are suggesting that its a PED either way, but I don't think you can fault a fighter for using something BEFORE it was illegal even if the fighter knew it might be something that could or would eventually be illegal logically.

Hell, Steverne got fined something like $75k for failing a test because he had a damn protein bar before his match, and there was a banned substance in a store bought protein bar. That's a little crazy to me.

LMFAO when was that? If I heard that story I forgot about it. I'll have to google that sh^t later.

But there are other issues with the whole setup. One of the problems I often mention is there is a whole shady wild wild west world with the supplement industry throwing PEDs in various protein powders & amino acids & other powered bs so they customers will see gains & keep buying their powdered bs. Fighters use those products thinking they are legit for what they are supposed to be legit for & can pop for sh^t that the company put in extra.

This was suspected for awhile & proven with the USADA testing in the UFC on several occasions now. I'm POSITIVE its happened to boxers before, but thats all speculation cuz everyone says "nope not me I didn't take anything" & seldom can prove their innocence, but statistics tell me some of them are telling the truth.

Also, what year was the whole Panama Lewis "not that bottle, the one i mixed" fight? Once that was caught on live TV, I wouldn't be surprised if that's when the testing really got started.

That was never known, for sure, what it was exactly. I heard it was some sorta allergy product iirc. The theory was it would open his lungs or something like that I believe.

I think that might be the first sketchy product a fighter used doe that I can recall now that you bring it up that was discussed by many.