Why are some dismissive of top cruiser weights having success at heavyweight when:

[Mr Objecitivity]

1) Alexander Povetkin: A 6 foot 2, arguably a blown up cruiser weight at 38 years of age as a pressure fighter has the second best resume in the heavyweight division and is a top 5 heavyweight whilst being the mandatory to one of the champion's belt. Despite the fact that he is at an age when most past heavyweights (especially fellow pressure fighters) were either retired, or losing to journeymen / bums that Povetkin has yet to lose to.

2) Carlos Takam: A 6 foot 1, another arguably blown up cruiser weight that happens to be a current top 10 heavyweight at age 37. Has only ever been knocked out by another fellow arguable blown up cruiser weight in Alexander Povetkin. The so called 'BIG' and 'NATURAL' heavyweight in Anthony Joshua failed to cleanly KO this small Carlos Takam but the small Povetkin managed to cleanly KO a younger, previously UN-KO'ed and in-prime version of Carlos Takam. He has always managed to remain competitive in every bout, including against the 'BIG' and 'NATURAL' heavyweights like Anthony Joshua.

3) Andy Ruiz Jr: A 6 foot 1, overweight heavyweight that could potentially be a cruiser weight, light heavyweight and perhaps even a super middleweight without the extra fat. Yet, this is the same guy who arguably defeated one of the 'REAL' and 'NATURAL' heavyweights in Joseph Parker that happens to be one of the current heavyweight champions. Never lost any other bout at heavyweight. Has managed to remain competitive in every bout he has been in, just like Carlos Takam.

So why couldn't the following 3 top cruiser weights:

1) Oleksandr Usyk: 6 foot 3

2) Murat Gassiev: 6 foot 3

3) Mairis Brieidis: 6 foot 1


Be AT LEAST just as successful, if not more than those current 3 'small' heavyweights today? Considering they are arguably even more skilled than those 3 current small heavyweights?

The 'size' argument is overrated. Otherwise, Povetkin wouldn't at age 38 be one of the top 5 heavyweights today. Carlos Takam wouldn't be a top 10 heavyweight today at age 37 and Andy Ruiz wouldn't have given Joseph Parker as much difficulties as he did.

[dan_cov]

Breidis already one punch K.O'd a current HW titlest.
Past prime Huck gave PEDvetkin kittens & arguably beat him.
A totally shot U.S aged 40 could no longer compete in a much frailer CW era yet looked great at HW dropping the lineal HW champion and beating multiple contenders.

The CWs have proven time and time again they're a force at HW the only real question is how they'd fare when the dust settles and when we find out who the true top HWs are and have them face off.

Guys like Manual ****in Charr and that big Aussie doorman are winning world titles ffs why can't Usyk, Gassiev, Breidis, Dorticos?

[Morrie ATG]

Too many variables at Cruiser, who’s doing what.. some drain. Gassiev walks around 220 per Abel. Gassiev always looks in shape. So what’s with the weight cut?

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[Just looking]

I can see Gassiev winning over Joshua and Usyk having a very good chance against Wilder, but change the matches and no big of a chance. Still, I'm excited for them to get there

[PK3434]

We are conditioned to think that way because there are so many weight classes. There are guys in the lower weights who are cautious with opponent selection when moving up 4 pounds so when a Cruiser talks about moving up 25+ pounds it seems extreme, even though it really isn't.

[Prince Madison]

they'll do just fine at heavyweight

[Mr Objecitivity]

Breidis already one punch K.O'd a current HW titlest.
Past prime Huck gave PEDvetkin kittens & arguably beat him.
A totally shot U.S aged 40 could no longer compete in a much frailer CW era yet looked great at HW dropping the lineal HW champion and beating multiple contenders.

The CWs have proven time and time again they're a force at HW the only real question is how they'd fare when the dust settles and when we find out who the true top HWs are and have them face off.

Guys like Manual ****in Charr and that big Aussie doorman are winning world titles ffs why can't Usyk, Gassiev, Breidis, Dorticos?

Very good points. I totally agree!

And Mairis Brieidis probably punches with just as much power as Alexander Povetkin (who himself could probably make cruiser weight if he tried hard enough). The same applies to Murat Gassiev.

And Alexander Povetkin, who really is closer in size to the likes of Briedis and Gassiev and less closer in size to the likes of Joshua and Wilder, was able to KO Carlos Takam more brutally than Anthony Joshua did and also managed to KO Johan Duhapas more brutally and cleanly than Deontay Wilder did. Despite Povetkin being much smaller in size to either Wilder or Joshua.

So if Alexander Povetkin, at age 38, as a pressure fighter is a top 5 heavyweight. Then why couldn't prime Mairis Brieidis or Murat Gassiev do just as well, if not better, when they have just as much power with arguably more skills to boot?

And if Tyson Fury, with limited punching power can become one of the best heavyweights in the world, then why couldn't Oleksandr Usyk, who has relatively even power but much more skills be one of the best himself?

And Mairis Brieidis's KO over Manuel Charr is just as impressive as any KO Deontay Wilder or Anthony Joshua have achieved in the pros. In fact, I don't remember any knockout that Joshua achieved which was quite as impressive as Briedis's over Manuel Charr. That was a beautiful 2 punch combo KO! Right upper cut and left hook combo!

It's extremely rare to see a guy, whilst being outweighed by over 20 pounds, knock an opponent out unconscious whilst moving backwards with just 2 punches. You won't find too many examples like this!

Good post and green K sent!

['b']

And if Tyson Fury, with limited punching power can become one of the best heavyweights in the world, then why couldn't Oleksandr Usyk, who has relatively even power but much more skills be one of the best himself?

I like Usyk, but Tyson Fury is just too good / too big.

85 inch reach, good boxing skills / fast hands, decent power when he wants - easily better than Usyk's, can switch between Orthodox / Southpaw, 6 foot 9 and 260+ pounds can drain his opponent in the clinch to the point their legs can barely carry them (Cunningham before he was KO'd?).

Tyson Fury is just an all round pain to deal with. One thing's for sure, if you face him you are going to get jabbed in the face repeatedly while trying to hit a target who doesn't stand still, and if you want to close the distance be prepared to have a 6 foot 9 260+ pound man pushing down on you.

His game plan vs Chisora II and Christian Hammer was flawless - he evolved his game and knew the tools he had and how to use them. He can just dance around his opponent and pick them off at range until they want to be leaned on in close.

No CW can beat him, size matters when the bigger guy has skills and physical attributes that are too big to overcome.

[Mr Objecitivity]

I like Usyk, but Tyson Fury is just too good / too big.

85 inch reach, good boxing skills / fast hands, decent power when he wants - easily better than Usyk's, can switch between Orthodox / Southpaw, 6 foot 9 and 260+ pounds can drain his opponent in the clinch to the point their legs can barely carry them (Cunningham before he was KO'd?).

Tyson Fury is just an all round pain to deal with. One thing's for sure, if you face him you are going to get jabbed in the face repeatedly while trying to hit a target who doesn't stand still, and if you want to close the distance be prepared to have a 6 foot 9 260+ pound man pushing down on you.

His game plan vs Chisora II and Christian Hammer was flawless - he evolved his game and knew the tools he had and how to use them. He can just dance around his opponent and pick them off at range until they want to be leaned on in close.

No CW can beat him, size matters when the bigger guy has skills and physical attributes that are too big to overcome.

Tyson Fury is too good, based on what? I've seen his bouts against the likes of Nevan Pjkic (who Fury got dropped by), John Mcdermott (who Fury argaubly lost to in first bout) and Steven Cinningham (who Fury got dropped by) to know that Fury is not as good as some think he is and that he can lose to top cruiser weights. All of those boxers I mentioned that Fury struggled against, are below 6 foot 4 inches in height.

Fury's best performance was against a 39 year old Wladimir Klitschko. 39 years is an age when every other past heavyweight champion was either retired, or losing to inferior boxers to Tyson Fury such as bums / journeymen. If anything, those journeymen / bums were beating 35+ year old past heavyweight champions more convincingly than Fury beat Wladiimr Klitschko when Wlad was 39 years of age. Wladimir Klitschko may have looked bad against Fury (as he is historically supposed to at that age). But Fury looked HORRIBLE against a 39 year old Wladimir Klitschko (he historically shouldn't against an opponent of that age). Just go look at how much he struggled to land meaningful punches on a 39 year old Wladimir Klitschko. Despite his longer reach, he had to settle for 2 or 3 cuffing punches each round to steal rounds. He barely landed anything meaningful on Wladimir Klitschko and in this department, both were even since Wladimir Klitschko responded back with landing even number of meaningful damaging punches, each time Fury landed such a punch. I personally had the bout a draw as a result!

Fury's punch accuracy was horrible against Wladimir Klitschko. He missed a career high against a 39 year old boxer who was arguably shot.

So if you want to judge Fury's quality as a boxer based on his one win against Wladimir Klitschko, then it is a fallacy since there exists a very small sample size. It's not enough to go by since Wladimir Klitschko at age 39 may very well have been a 'shot' fighter and Fury only managed to win, because of that reason, rather than him having boxing abilities at a level you are claiming he has.

There are AT LEAST 3 fighters Fury struggled against, all whom are shorter than 6 foot 4. That's a bigger sample size to judge Fury's quality on, rather than one fight against arguably a shot fighter in Wladimir Klitschko when Wlad was 39 years of age. And Usyk, Briedis and Gassiev are all much better than Steve Cunningham, Nevan Pjakic and John McDermott. I see no reason why either of these 3 couldn't defeat Fury if those other 3 boxers gave Fury hell.

And put Steve Cunningham against Gassiev or Brieidis, and Cunningham gets body bagged in less time than it took Fury to KO Cunningham.

And Steven Cunningham, nor Derek Chisora are comparable in anyway shape or form to Brieidis or Gassiev, never mind Usyk in terms of boxing skills / abilities.

['b']

Tyson Fury is too good, based on what? I've seen his bouts against the likes of Nevan Pjkic (who Fury got dropped by), John Mcdermott (who Fury argaubly lost to in first bout) and Steven Cinningham (who Fury got dropped by) to know that Fury is not as good as some think he is and that he can lose to top cruiser weights. All of those boxers I mentioned that Fury struggled against, are below 6 foot 4 inches in height.

Fury's best performance was against a 39 year old Wladimir Klitschko. 39 years is an age when every other past heavyweight champion was either retired, or losing to inferior boxers to Tyson Fury such as bums / journeymen. If anything, those journeymen / bums were beating 35+ year old past heavyweight champions more convincingly than Fury beat Wladiimr Klitschko when Wlad was 39 years of age. Wladimir Klitschko may have looked bad against Fury (as he is historically supposed to at that age). But Fury looked HORRIBLE against a 39 year old Wladimir Klitschko (he historically shouldn't against an opponent of that age). Just go look at how much he struggled to land meaningful punches on a 39 year old Wladimir Klitschko. Despite his longer reach, he had to settle for 2 or 3 cuffing punches each round to steal rounds. He barely landed anything meaningful on Wladimir Klitschko and in this department, both were even since Wladimir Klitschko responded back with landing even number of meaningful damaging punches, each time Fury landed such a punch. I personally had the bout a draw as a result!

Fury's punch accuracy was horrible against Wladimir Klitschko. He missed a career high against a 39 year old boxer who was arguably shot.

So if you want to judge Fury's quality as a boxer based on his one win against Wladimir Klitschko, then it is a fallacy since there exists a very small sample size. It's not enough to go by since Wladimir Klitschko at age 39 may very well have been a 'shot' fighter and Fury only managed to win, because of that reason, rather than him having boxing abilities at a level you are claiming he has.

There are AT LEAST 3 fighters Fury struggled against, all whom are shorter than 6 foot 4. That's a bigger sample size to judge Fury's quality on, rather than one fight against arguably a shot fighter in Wladimir Klitschko when Wlad was 39 years of age. And Usyk, Briedis and Gassiev are all much better than Steve Cunningham, Nevan Pjakic and John McDermott. I see no reason why either of these 3 couldn't defeat Fury if those other 3 boxers gave Fury hell.

And put Steve Cunningham against Gassiev or Brieidis, and Cunningham gets body bagged in less time than it took Fury to KO Cunningham.

And Steven Cunningham, nor Derek Chisora are comparable in anyway shape or form to Brieidis or Gassiev, never mind Usyk in terms of boxing skills / abilities.

Yeah, because young fighters never improve right?

Tyson Fury was a young and undisciplined guy and Peter Fury made him fight to his advantages, utilising his size and reach and movement.

Hammer and Chisora aren't the best fighters, but it's the way Fury completely neutralised them with ease. I'm not saying he is in the most entertaining fights, but what other fighter could have neutralised Klitschko like that? He looked bad because he knew every time he overextended he'd be hit square in the face, and he wasn't used to a fighter dancing around him, switching stances and had good head movement compared to other HWs.

Not even the biggest Fury fan, but to deny his talent and the difficulty he poses to any HW around today when he was in his prime is silly.

We saw what Hughie Fury was able to do with Parker, and while he justly lost that fight, Hughie Fury is a vastly inferior boxer in every aspect to Tyson. Tyson played with him like a little boy in sparring