De La Hoya Becomes Bob Arum

[The Old LefHook]

It did not take long for the student to become the master. Everything from Hoya's lips is now BS. He is a promoter out of the Arum school of promoting, as Brando was out of the Stanislavski school of acting.

Arum still tops him mightily in production, however. Arum was behind some of the greatest fights of the last forty years, Hoya has yet to be behind a classic matchup of immense proportions.

His minions at his company even admit to milking the possible fight between GGG and Canelo for all they can get, while at the same time denying they are the ones holding it up.

They put out an offer that is quite unacceptable, and then make a fuss in the press that GGG is holding up the fight by not accepting their offer. They know he would jump on a fair offer. They are the clowns. The world knows what they are up to, and they are so forking dumb they think they are pulling one over on everyone.

GGG is aging. I will not pay for a swan song. If a friend had not bought Pacquiao/Mayweather, I would not have seen that fight.

Folks, De La Hoya is about to ruin another classic matchup. He is trying his damndest. We already had Pacquiao/MW ruined by a preposterous delay.

If De La Hoya possesses only Arum's mendacity and prevarication, and none of his talent at getting a fight made, then please go away, let someone else handle the job. No one ever said a fighter had to be smart at business. By putting this fight on for the fans now Hoya would put his company on the map as a major player. By holding it up he will breed nothing but resentment among fans. He is too stupid to see this. For a few dollars more he will breed long-lasting resentment for his name and company, which could have immediately become the top player innundated with thanks and appreciation from the fans. But no. No one said boxers had to be smart.

[Anthony342]

That's why boxing has declined in mainstream popularity in the US since the '90s. Because of the resentment fans have felt because of crap like this, promoters have chased away the casuals. I'll still be watching a few favorites though. Wlad/Fury 2 and Ward/Kovalev I'll watch and anyone else in the sport who still has some balls.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

That's why boxing has declined in mainstream popularity in the US since the '90s. Because of the resentment fans have felt because of crap like this, promoters have chased away the casuals. I'll still be watching a few favorites though. Wlad/Fury 2 and Ward/Kovalev I'll watch and anyone else in the sport who still has some balls.

Totally agree... Spot on.. Boxing has been a horrible ran sport since the early 90s

[yngwie]

The fact that Dela Hoya was such a brave fighter, really affected his promoter career.
He knows the game, knows the fans, he knows that he would probably had been bigger if he didn't fought Trinidad or Mosley and remained undefeated.
His promotion doesn't have a big name besides Canelo, he doesn't want to lose his cash cow.

[ShoulderRoll]

An 8 figure offer is actually not unfair given Golovkin's history as a pay per view draw (or lack thereof.) It would be he the highest payday GGG has ever received.

He certainly doesn't merit a 60-40 split as K2 counter offered.

[The Old LefHook]

An 8 figure offer is actually not unfair given Golovkin's history as a pay per view draw (or lack thereof.) It would be he the highest payday GGG has ever received.

He certainly doesn't merit a 60-40 split as K2 counter offered.

Don't be a halfwit. Canelo was a phony middleweight champion who ran off and vacated before he would face his mandatory GGG. He put up a non effort against MW when he was far from green.

Canelo, under the guidance of Hoya, is now the ultimate cherry picking whiner. They are obviouisly waiting for GGG to age. This is not fan friendly or boxing friendly.

Yes, an eight figure flat fee is unfair, and also an insult. It does not matter a whit that it is more than he ever made before. GGG is not the B side of this arrangement. Only a halfwit can believe that. I know that, personally, I could not care less about seeing Canelo fight unless he is fighting GGG. No one gives a shït about Canelo. The great KO artist is the one carrying all the intrigue--can anyone give him a good fight? That is what people want to know. Canelo is seen as the guy who might give him the best fight, nothing more. He is the B side.

He is also a chicken. If he thought he could beat GGG he would be in the ring with him faster than you can shït with diarrhea, son. It should be Canelo who is getting 40%. That is what is bogus about Hoya's (and your) reasoning from the start. Canelo might be Hoya's biggest star, but he is not a big star.

Furthermore, Hoya does not know how to make him a star.

Of course negotiations are stalled. The B side is demanding the A side's share of the purse. Yeah, negotiations are stalled.

Will GGG be trying to dethrone Canelo, sir, or will it be the other way around? The answer is obvious. GGG does not care for whatever paper title Canelo is waving, and neither does anyone else. The contest will be to see if Canelo can dethrone the recognized, universal middleweight champion. Any other middleweight champion is a pretender, especially the ones that already ran from one mandatory fight with GGG.

You think I care if you come back with some figures concerning the great Canelo's PPV past? LIke what? When he gave a non effort against Mayweather?

Canelo has not proven himself at middleweight. He wants to talk like a great middleweight without doing any of the work. Anyone who buys into his and Hoya's garbage is a halfwit. I did not know you were a halfwit, son. Tell me you are not. Tell me you were kidding. How did I miss that joke? Tell me it was irony.

[ShoulderRoll]

Relax with the half wit bullshit. I've never been disrespectful when disagreeing with your opinions and would expect the same courtesy in return. This isn't supposed to be NSB.

Canelo just put 51,000 butts in the seats of a football stadium and sold 300,000 on PPV against a complete unknown. He also attracted over 40,000 fans to the Alamodome in San Antonio and over 30,000 at Minute Maid Park in Houston.

Whether you personally like him or not or prefer GGG doesn't matter one bit. The numbers objectively say that he is a draw and a good earner and the clear A-side here. He doesn't need Golovkin in order to make big money whereas Golovkin won't sniff 8 figures without him.

This is the type of situation where GGG just needs to bite the bullet and accept the short end of the stick in order to get Canelo in the ring. The rewards will come after if he beats him like everyone seems to think he will.

It's like when Mayweather accepted a 70-30 split against De La Hoya then saw his career explode through the roof afterwards once he beat him.

[The Old LefHook]

Relax with the half wit bullshit. I've never been disrespectful when disagreeing with your opinions and would expect the same courtesy in return. This isn't supposed to be NSB.

Canelo just put 51,000 butts in the seats of a football stadium and sold 300,000 on PPV against a complete unknown. He also attracted over 40,000 fans to the Alamodome in San Antonio and over 30,000 at Minute Maid Park in Houston.

Whether you personally like him or not or prefer GGG doesn't matter one bit. The numbers objectively say that he is a draw and a good earner and the clear A-side here. He doesn't need Golovkin in order to make big money whereas Golovkin won't sniff 8 figures without him.

This is the type of situation where GGG just needs to bite the bullet and accept the short end of the stick in order to get Canelo in the ring. The rewards will come after if he beats him like everyone seems to think he will.

It's like when Mayweather accepted a 70-30 split against De La Hoya then saw his career explode through the roof afterwards once he beat him.

You are rather dumb, maybe not a "full" halfwit. Is that better? That is not disrespectful, but as much respect as I can give you for your nonsense--the same number nonsense I predicted you would come back with. Are you supposed to know something about numbers beyond multiplication, son?

Canelo will be trying to dethrone GGG, not the other way around. You are the B side of this conversation for brains. GGG sits there waiting for all the talkers. It is hard when the bullshïtters are supported by dummies who cannot see the obvious game right in front of their faces. Hoya's minions at the company can now go online and get a sample of how folks feel. Yes, they can report back, a good number of people are buying into our bullshït con games designed to let GGG age and make us look like we want a fight. We thank you for that.

What we have now is only roadblock #1. If GGG suddenly came in to sign their contract, he would be met by new demands of some kind. We have seen the game before and all its nuances. More roadblocks from your pets are sure to follow. Watch.

[The Old LefHook]

It does not matter if they have a fight when it is too late. Canelo/GGG two or three years from now is not the fight we want to see. We want to know how they do against each other now.

We did not get the fight we wanted with Pac/MW. Sure there was a fight. Big deal. No one now cares. Essentially, it meant nothing, though they still made a ton of money because boxing fans are idiots and the promoters know this well.

I say this one is already over. They will never fight in time, and I lay that at the feet of Hoya and Canelo, not, sir, at the feet the undefeated champion who is universally recognized and feared.

We will will not see the fight we want. Period. There will be some fŭcking shell of a match no one should even care about. Yes, this one is over. Win goes to Hoya and company. They fŭcked us out of another possibly great one. The deed is done. You will not see this fight before it is too late to matter. How do you feel about that, boxing fans? You are not going to see the fight you want to see, pure and simple, while these gutless boxing promoters and fighters go on bleeding you for whatever matches they feel like throwing to you.

[ShoulderRoll]

You are rather dumb, maybe not a "full" halfwit. Is that better? That is not disrespectful, but as much respect as I can give you for your nonsense--the same number nonsense I predicted you would come back with. Are you supposed to know something about numbers beyond multiplication, son?

I see. So instead of talking numbers and facts you'd rather talk about your feelings and emotions. Are you a woman by chance?

The A-side in negotiations is determined by a track record of bringing in money. Not by who "The Old Left Hook" swoons and gets his panties wet for.

This fight can still happen now but I hope Golovkin doesn't blow it by asking for more than he is really worth. I hear he is making $5 million for his next bout against Jacobs, yet Canelo's starting offer of 8 figures is unacceptable.