Heavyweight Evolution: 90's/Current eras vs the old days. No comparison.

[MuhammadLewis]

I noticed a lot of posters will often nit pick a lot of weaker/out of shape Heavys from the current era and say 'see HW Boxing has not evolved.' Why not use the true standards of the word modern? Why not use the 90's fighters and throw in K2 as the model of boxing evolution:

Think about this: Do you guys honestly think that Jack Johnson, Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey, Joe Frazier, Jerry Quarry, Cleveland Williams and a bunch of light heavyweights can beat the likes of

Lennox Lewis, Riddick Bowe, Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Ray Mercer, David Tua, Ike Ibuebechi,.... etc.. It's absurd.

David Tua would have torn the 20's apart... as would Ike. With the exception of Ali and Foreman.. everyone else from the top 30 would have been massive under dogs against the top 30 of the 90's/current era.

Let's stop using examples like Chris Arreloa and say 'see Heavyweights did not evolve'.. Let's start pointing out the 230+ Pound skilled modernized Heavys of the 90's era.. and see what the gap really is.

[Canelo Phresh]

Primo Carnerra...

[bojangles1987]

I noticed a lot of posters will often nit pick a lot of weaker/out of shape Heavys from the current era and say 'see HW Boxing has not evolved.' Why not use the true standards of the word modern? Why not use the 90's fighters and throw in K2 as the model of boxing evolution:

Think about this: Do you guys honestly think that Jack Johnson, Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey, Joe Frazier, Jerry Quarry, Cleveland Williams and a bunch of light heavyweights can beat the likes of

Lennox Lewis, Riddick Bowe, Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Ray Mercer, David Tua, Ike Ibuebechi,.... etc.. It's absurd.

David Tua would have torn the 20's apart... as would Ike. With the exception of Ali and Foreman.. everyone else from the top 30 would have been massive under dogs against the top 30 of the 90's/current era.

Let's stop using examples like Chris Arreloa and say 'see Heavyweights did not evolve'.. Let's start pointing out the 230+ Pound skilled modernized Heavys of the 90's era.. and see what the gap really is.

That you listed Frazier, Quarry, and Williams as "light heavyweights" is so utterly absurd that I can't take you seriously. Frazier was the same size as Tyson. Quarry was a solid 200 pounds. Cleveland Williams was well over 200.

And you listed Holyfield, a man who was a cruiserweight and always undersized. What about all the cruiserweights and light heavyweights who are successful in today's heavyweight division? Eddie Chambers was a fat heavyweight. James Toney whooped the **** out of Sam Peter. David Haye was prime as a cruiserweight. Adamak was a cruiserweight. Chris Byrd was small.

Who are all these great 230+ heavweights besides Wlad and Vitali?

[MuhammadLewis]

That you listed Frazier, Quarry, and Williams as "light heavyweights" is so utterly absurd that I can't take you seriously. Frazier was the same size as Tyson. Quarry was a solid 200 pounds. Cleveland Williams was well over 200.

And you listed Holyfield, a man who was a cruiserweight and always undersized. What about all the cruiserweights and light heavyweights who are successful in today's heavyweight division? Eddie Chambers was a fat heavyweight. James Toney whooped the **** out of Sam Peter. David Haye was prime as a cruiserweight. Adamak was a cruiserweight. Chris Byrd was small.

Who are all these great 230+ heavweights besides Wlad and Vitali?

When did I do that? I said Frazier, Quarry, and Williams AND a bunch of light heavyweights.........clearly talking about a lot of the 180 pounders from the 20's... I never once stated those guys were Light Heavys. Learn to read.
Stop listing failed fighters from today and make a case for the likes of Jack Johnson beating Lennox Lewis or Riddick Bowe.

You honestly think David Tua can't walk through the 20's? Also Holyfield is a natural Heavy... his body grew into it. Holyfield as compare to Frazier might have started off around the same weight... but Evander was a much larger man by the time he dominated Tyson.

[GeneralZod]

Primo Carnerra...

The ass whippin' Max Baer gave him is the funniest fight i've ever seen.

[Cardinal Buck]

Tyson was quite a bit bigger than Frazier.

[Targaryen]

If size was such a decisive factor then how could Roy Jones Jr a LHW beat a fully fledged heavyweight in John Ruiz?

Skill factor, that's why. And that's why the likes of Tua would never walk through any ATG heavyweight.

[SN!PER]

Imagine Jack Dempsey in the ring with Tyson Fury.

[bojangles1987]

When did I do that? I said Frazier, Quarry, and Williams AND a bunch of light heavyweights.........clearly talking about a lot of the 180 pounders from the 20's... I never once stated those guys were Light Heavys. Learn to read.
Stop listing failed fighters from today and make a case for the likes of Jack Johnson beating Lennox Lewis or Riddick Bowe.

You honestly think David Tua can't walk through the 20's? Also Holyfield is a natural Heavy... his body grew into it. Holyfield as compare to Frazier might have started off around the same weight... but Evander was a much larger man by the time he dominated Tyson.

Than why are you listing Frazier, Quarry, and Williams to begin with? You were clearly implying they are small.

Only one of those guys fought in the 20s anyway, so again why are you talking about the 20s? The only guy you listed that fought before the 20s was Jack Johnson. Most of them fought in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. The best fighter in the 20s was a 210 pound Joe Louis who would slaughter most the division today, maybe everyone in the division today.

I didn't list failed heavyweights from today. I listed successful fighters who were beating most of the division. Who are all these great 230+ pound fighters today? Wlad, Vitali, Lewis, who else?

[A_Jeffrey]

obviously HWs from 1920s would get wrecked lol