Anyone Use SPORTS Supplements? Creatine, whey,etc...

[Tiyo Paeng]

Dude there is nothing "placebo" about protein.

You know how what protein is for right? Right? You know how muscle brakes down and rebuilds right? Right.

So how is protein placebo?

Is protein in chicken and beef "fake" too? And not needed? And in milk and eggs?


I dont see your point.

Besides "protein" doesnt improve your perfomance. Unless its a powder thats a carb mix too. Then yes it does help your performance as carbs are sources of energy.


I believe only in eating well, and eating a lot of good balanced food. However I dont see nothing wrong with someone taking protein shakes as an insurance. Meaning having a shake to make sure that you got your daily protein dose.


When people rely on all this supplement **** alone and not real food then I see a problem.


However i have been steadily gaining muscle for nearly a year now and protein poweder definetly helped me in the process.



90% of people do not know what the **** they are doing and sure, suppliments become more of a hazzard then anything else.


But if you know your body, understand what you are taking and how it works it can be of great benifit.


And most people think that if they go to ahealth food store buy boxes of supplimentation take it they will grow. And it just doesnt work that way.

Sir, I was referring to protein supplements when I injected the idea of the "placebo" effect. Yes, one needs protein, but that need has been hyped up over the years by the very same companies that are manufacturing the protein supplements. This is big business for them.

Protein doesn't improve performance, but many who take these supplements believe otherwise. This is where the placebo effect comes in. They believe that it will enhance their sports performance, and because they believe so, performance indeed skyrockets. This is due to the power of the human mind.

You said that you see nothing wrong with anyone taking these protein supplements as insurance. What insurance are you talking about? I've seen trainees drink gallons of whey protein over the years but their bench press hasn't even surpassed the 100-pound mark. Doesn't that make you think?

[hectari]

Sir, I was referring to protein supplements when I injected the idea of the "placebo" effect. Yes, one needs protein, but that need has been hyped up over the years by the very same companies that are manufacturing the protein supplements. This is big business for them.

Protein doesn't improve performance, but many who take these supplements believe otherwise. This is where the placebo effect comes in. They believe that it will enhance their sports performance, and because they believe so, performance indeed skyrockets. This is due to the power of the human mind.

You said that you see nothing wrong with anyone taking these protein supplements as insurance. What insurance are you talking about? I've seen trainees drink gallons of whey protein over the years but their bench press hasn't even surpassed the 100-pound mark. Doesn't that make you think?

lmao this guy is funny! we all need protien to maintain muscle protien is safe...you also need some carbs for energy before lifting weights and right after a work out.

if you eat protien it wont turn to fat lol only if you eat a fatty steak yes...

protien goes to your muscle you can digest around 50 grams of protien from a shake at one sit thats why they say eat every 3-4 hours small meals so your body has enough time to fully digest the nutrients so they dnt get wasted and yoru body doesnt go into a catabolic state.

[Banderivets]

You said that you see nothing wrong with anyone taking these protein supplements as insurance. What insurance are you talking about? I've seen trainees drink gallons of whey protein over the years but their bench press hasn't even surpassed the 100-pound mark. Doesn't that make you think?

LMAO

You take protein shakes as insurance because it is hard to get enough protein to maintain a high muscle mass on daily diet alone.

Have you ever tried calculating how much you need to eat to get lets say 120grams of protein a day? (which I take and build muscle, I dont believe the 300gram bull****).

I simply cant eat enough meat or egg in day to get a high daily protein dose. Hence Ill have about 50grams worth in shakes.

[Tiyo Paeng]

lmao this guy is funny! we all need protien to maintain muscle protien is safe...you also need some carbs for energy before lifting weights and right after a work out.

if you eat protien it wont turn to fat lol only if you eat a fatty steak yes...

protien goes to your muscle you can digest around 50 grams of protien from a shake at one sit thats why they say eat every 3-4 hours small meals so your body has enough time to fully digest the nutrients so they dnt get wasted and yoru body doesnt go into a catabolic state.

Hey, I also find you funny.

You didn't read my post carefully. You need to improve on your reading comprehension skills.

I wrote that you don't need protein supplements and that they're over hyped. I didn't say you don't need protein from natural foods. Of course everyone needs protein in the diet.

Next time, read carefully before you reply.

[Tiyo Paeng]

LMAO

You take protein shakes as insurance because it is hard to get enough protein to maintain a high muscle mass on daily diet alone.

Have you ever tried calculating how much you need to eat to get lets say 120grams of protein a day? (which I take and build muscle, I dont believe the 300gram bull****).

I simply cant eat enough meat or egg in day to get a high daily protein dose. Hence Ill have about 50grams worth in shakes.

This is a fallacy. I see that you've been brainwashed by the protein supplements manufacturers. Next time you read their ads, try to analyze all the pseudo-science that they try to inject in their so-called research.

Want to know a secret? Muscle is not made up entirely of protein. It's 70% water. If you start to laugh at this then this means you don't know biology. You know the best way to shrink your muscles? It's not being deficient in protein but being dehydrated.

[hectari]

Hey, I also find you funny.

You didn't read my post carefully. You need to improve on your reading comprehension skills.

I wrote that you don't need protein supplements and that they're over hyped. I didn't say you don't need protein from natural foods. Of course everyone needs protein in the diet.

Next time, read carefully before you reply.

yes and you read my posted reply to you...i basically said protien from natural foods takes longer to break down...a protien from steak and meat will take longer to break down...and when you workout yoru body needs constant nurishment from protien and aminos...to heal and recover. thats the Greatness of whey shakes and protien shakes they are fast to digest and convenient.

[Tiyo Paeng]

yes and you read my posted reply to you...i basically said protien from natural foods takes longer to break down...a protien from steak and meat will take longer to break down...and when you workout yoru body needs constant nurishment from protien and aminos...to heal and recover. thats the Greatness of whey shakes and protien shakes they are fast to digest and convenient.

Theoretically, what you are saying makes good sense: protein supplements that the body can absorb fast so it can be used for healing and recovery.

But this is reality: most protein supplements that are being manufactured don't work becuase they are ****ty products. Blame the manufacturers for this. The supplement industry is just fooling the people and they are making a killing This is good business for them.

[Banderivets]

Want to know a secret? Muscle is not made up entirely of protein. It's 70% water. If you start to laugh at this then this means you don't know biology. You know the best way to shrink your muscles? It's not being deficient in protein but being dehydrated.

And how am I supposed to get the 30% thats protein?

I can eat a **** load of chicken but Ill go broke.


And sure not all of them work, thats why you need to get shakes whose amino acid composition is that of real meat etc...


I think there is a miscomunication here.


I dont believe in supplements. I too believe that it's 90% bull****, and a big business because people get fooled easy.


However if you know some physical science, and know how the body works, you can take great advantage of the 10% of the suppliment produce that aint bull****.

[Tiyo Paeng]

And how am I supposed to get the 30% thats protein?

I can eat a **** load of chicken but Ill go broke.

And sure not all of them work, thats why you need to get shakes whose amino acid composition is that of real meat etc...

I think there is a miscomunication here.

I dont believe in supplements. I too believe that it's 90% bull****, and a big business because people get fooled easy.

However if you know some physical science, and know how the body works, you can take great advantage of the 10% of the suppliment produce that aint bull****.

Okay, let's go with your logic for awhile. For you, 90% of protein supplements are bull**** and the remaining 10% actually do work.

Here is the question: why bother with the remaining 10%? Why do you need to ingest huge amounts of protein in the first place?

Do you know who created the propaganda that the body needs to ingest huge amounts of protein in order to build muscle? Yes, you guessed it right. The protein supplement manufacturers themselves, and Weider is the biggest bastard of them all. In order for people to buy their products, they must first create the need in the people's minds for these products. So how did they do it? By publishing "scientific findings" stating that the body needs truckloads of protein in order to build muscle. Most of the people who funded and supervised these "scientific research" aren't even scientists themselves. Most are/were bodybuilders and businessmen who wanted to capitalize on the dreams of countless young men who wanted to gain muscles.

Do you know what happened to these young men who ingested excessive loads of protein? Many got sick because of liver and kidney failure. Just in case you don't know, and you can check any biology book, these are the organs that filter the proteins in the body.

Ask any qualified dietician or nutritionist and they will tell you that the proper ratio of your diet should be 60% carbohydrates, 30% protein, and 10% fats. These dieticians or nutritionists are not in any way connected to these "protein supplement" manufacturers, so they state the real facts because they have nothing to lose nor gain in the first place.

If you think that you need to ingest "****loads of chicken" (using your own words), then maybe you've been a victim of false advertising and indoctrination for a long time.

[hectari]

Theoretically, what you are saying makes good sense: protein supplements that the body can absorb fast so it can be used for healing and recovery.

But this is reality: most protein supplements that are being manufactured don't work becuase they are ****ty products. Blame the manufacturers for this. The supplement industry is just fooling the people and they are making a killing This is good business for them.

dude your smoking some weed? lol how do you know they dont work? I have put on muscle with protien powders! and countless of millions of other people have too....

they do work bro your living in the dark ages.