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  • #31
    Originally posted by Rky_Marshymllow
    No I can advise on bodyweight exericses, because I know that if you do 10 press ups a day, you will get stronger. Period.

    If you do 10 bicep curls a day, dont come running to me when you lose flexibility and gain absolutely no strength. Well its all dependent... you may not lose flexibility. It all depends on how u do them. For instance if you are activating the fast and slow twitch fibers or if you are just activating the slow twitch fibers and adding uneccessary bulk... Hence the reason I will never promote a strength training schedule based around lifting weights. I might link Ross, but I wouldnt do it myself... Instead ill choose the safer traditional option and say do some press ups, sit ups etc. Sorted! How can someone go wrong doing some press ups and sit ups? They cant.

    Btw, I never actively said "dont do weights!!!!", I just try to persuade people into other training methods... Gaining all around strength -- max, explosive and stamina strength, through basic ground work routines...

    Man... Why do you keep on with the curls?!?! Is that all you know about weights?
    You're right it does depend on how you do them, Why don't you tell people THAT instead then?
    See, I never said you can go wrong doing press ups and sit ups. Nothing wrong with those! In fact I never even said not to do those, I said do those AND do weights.
    Multifaceted Competition. A fighter requires a unique blend of each strength quality
    YOU posted that. How does that make you think ONLY situps and pressups??

    What's the real difference between
    One less person touching weights, and the world is better off.
    and
    dont do weights!!!!
    ??

    I see that you acknowledge the need for training max strength for boxing. If you realize that, at least, all that's left for you to realize is that there's NO DIFFERENCE between training a certain type of strength with or without weights!!!
    The advantage of having BOTH options at your disposal is greater possibilities of actually succeeding in your training.

    Would you insist that the mechanic fixes your car, using ONLY a screwdriver? Or would you prefer to let him use all his tools? Which do you think will get the best result? Granted, if you've never seen a toolbox before, fixing a car can be quite complicated. That's why you need an education to fix cars for a living! You don't become a master mechanic the moment you know what a screwdriver is.

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    • #32
      Good analogy.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by NJFighter91
        Good analogy.
        Thanks. I was hoping that would spell it out...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by PunchDrunk
          Man... Why do you keep on with the curls?!?! Is that all you know about weights?
          You're right it does depend on how you do them, Why don't you tell people THAT instead then?
          See, I never said you can go wrong doing press ups and sit ups. Nothing wrong with those! In fact I never even said not to do those, I said do those AND do weights. YOU posted that. How does that make you think ONLY situps and pressups??

          What's the real difference between and ??

          I see that you acknowledge the need for training max strength for boxing. If you realize that, at least, all that's left for you to realize is that there's NO DIFFERENCE between training a certain type of strength with or without weights!!!
          The advantage of having BOTH options at your disposal is greater possibilities of actually succeeding in your training.

          Would you insist that the mechanic fixes your car, using ONLY a screwdriver? Or would you prefer to let him use all his tools? Which do you think will get the best result? Granted, if you've never seen a toolbox before, fixing a car can be quite complicated. That's why you need an education to fix cars for a living! You don't become a master mechanic the moment you know what a screwdriver is.
          You seem to mistake my jokes for serious intellectual discussion. When I said the world is better off with less people doing weights, that was a joke... its obvious thats a joke.

          Instead of explaining to people a thousand times "do the weights this way and that way and blah blah" I just say, do press ups, do sit ups. Work out your entire body, so things are done in proportion. Vary your sets, vary your reps. Vary the muscle groups. For instance with arms dont just do biceps do triceps also... These are all things I follow myself. I have never had a problem with that and ultimately the objective of the whole thing is to gain strength. From my personal experience I found that I have gained a lot more strength from ground work/body weight routines than anything else. Like I said before, I did benefit from my weights training, but not sufficiently to advise people to do the same thing. So logically I give them the best advise that I can give and say do what I do, and do body weight exercises. Its not that hard to comprehend.

          In my opinion, weights are overrated. So when someone makes a thread "Help me out with my strength training" -- I think to myself... ok, what benefitted me? And tell them what they wanna know based on that...

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Rky_Marshymllow
            You seem to mistake my jokes for serious intellectual discussion. When I said the world is better off with less people doing weights, that was a joke... its obvious thats a joke.

            Instead of explaining to people a thousand times "do the weights this way and that way and blah blah" I just say, do press ups, do sit ups. Work out your entire body, so things are done in proportion. Vary your sets, vary your reps. Vary the muscle groups. For instance with arms dont just do biceps do triceps also... These are all things I follow myself. I have never had a problem with that and ultimately the objective of the whole thing is to gain strength. From my personal experience I found that I have gained a lot more strength from ground work/body weight routines than anything else. Like I said before, I did benefit from my weights training, but not sufficiently to advise people to do the same thing. So logically I give them the best advise that I can give and say do what I do, and do body weight exercises. Its not that hard to comprehend.

            In my opinion, weights are overrated. So when someone makes a thread "Help me out with my strength training" -- I think to myself... ok, what benefitted me? And tell them what they wanna know based on that...
            If they're asking for advice regarding weights, saying "don't do weights" is disrespectful, and quite plainly the wrong answer. If you're too jaded to give them the right answer, or just don't know enough about it, don't post an answer. It's not that hard to comprehend.

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            • #36
              A good sports strength routine for a chest day is doing 30 sets of cable crossovers followed by 15 sets of flys...Work on getting a good pump and the burn.

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              • #37
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                • #38
                  LOL, Exige you really have to keep an open mind on things. You are really naive if you think plyo's/calisthenics are the only way to train. And your opinion has an arrogance to it...stop it. It's ****in' annoying.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Smokin'
                    LOL, Exige you really have to keep an open mind on things. You are really naive if you think plyo's/calisthenics are the only way to train. And your opinion has an arrogance to it...stop it. It's ****in' annoying.

                    second that. your own arrogance and sense of self righteousness is blinding your from the truth that punchdrunk is spelling out to you with such clarity. the man has ten fold more knowledge and experience than you. u make 'points' with no relevance to your arguement. why not try to discussion with an aim of reaching a conclusion that is right. instead of battering people with your ignorant perceptions in the hope of havin them concede that u are right.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by mgkirkpatrick
                      second that. your own arrogance and sense of self righteousness is blinding your from the truth that punchdrunk is spelling out to you with such clarity. the man has ten fold more knowledge and experience than you. u make 'points' with no relevance to your arguement. why not try to discussion with an aim of reaching a conclusion that is right. instead of battering people with your ignorant perceptions in the hope of havin them concede that u are right.
                      Im sorry that I have an opinion that differs from PunchDrunks.

                      What more can I say.

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