So who uses right hooks from the orthodox stance?

[young_robbed]

What you call "Rays BS" is actually true knowledge, it trumps the **** out of most things that are posted on this forum.

Long live Ray who just speaks it as it is from real experience in the sport. Not from his experiences sitting in front of the TV watching the sport..........

he started getting disrespectful and this thread turned into a debate over semantics and terminology which is the last thing i wanted this thread to turn into. So i'm not saying Ray isn't knowledgable, but he's acting like a prîck in my thread. Talking about "there's no such thing as a right hook, there's only overhand rights and looping rights" what the fück is the big deal? CLEARLY right hooks exist and CLEARLY based off of the gifs I posted (I can post more) they can be very effective for getting around an opponent's guard. That's all.

[Pork Chop]

ShoulderRoll -
LOL funny video! at 1:09 he says "There's no such thing as a right uppercut... ever!" doh!

...lets leave this forum in peace ok! The other sections on this site have been brutalized lets not do it here!

I never heard that phrase (right hook), that's all!
I never taught that punch but did instruct what to do if its seen!
That's all!! Throw it if you see the opening! I don't give a **** but stop all this
cackling.
We had two kids screwing with this forum for 3 weeks so lets not continue the crap!

Let it go..................

Ray.

Nice post.
K.I.S.S. - if it works: do it, if it don't: counter it.
The last week or so has been my first time back in probably 4 years.
Glad to see people contributing who have experience.
Hope we can all keep it positive.

[young_robbed]

Fast forward to 11:58. I guess Jeff Mayweather is an idiot that doesn't know what he's talking about?

[Rockin']

Fast forward to 11:58. I guess Jeff Mayweather is an idiot that doesn't know what he's talking about?

terminology, that's all that it is. you should probably talk to the kid who throws the hookercut on our forum, or was it an upperhook?

the kids here love to pick at hairs instead of studying the whole animal that is boxing......

[young_robbed]

terminology, that's all that it is. you should probably talk to the kid who throws the hookercut on our forum, or was it an upperhook?

the kids here love to pick at hairs instead of studying the whole animal that is boxing......

Right, so why was I getting shît for saying right hook instead of saying a LOOPING right versus an OVERHAND right which is clearly a different shot anyway? Ray doesn't approve of Jeff Mayweather's terminology either then

I wasn't splitting hairs, Ray was the guy that started a bunch of BS over me not using terminology he didn't like and now you're saying I'm splitting hairs. Fück outta here man. I was just wondering who actually uses it, and which combinations they use it in, which situations they use it in, etc... Instead it became a ****** a$$ debate over terminology.

[ShoulderRoll]

ShoulderRoll -
LOL funny video! at 1:09 he says "There's no such thing as a right uppercut... ever!" doh!

Yeah, it was a slip of the tongue. He mentions in the description that he messed up and meant to say "There is no such thing as a right hook, ever!"

[BennyST]

Nonito Donaire vs. Fernando Montiel.

That's why you don't use a right hook.

Mayweather vs Cotto.

That's why you do use a right hook.

Joshua Clottey vs anyone.

That's why you do use a right hook.

Or maybe we should go another way for such an absurd, out of context, generalised post...let's not even get into the fact that Donaire has knocked out nearly everyone with a counter left hook, no matter what the punch he countered.

Roberto Duran vs Tommy Hearns.

That's why you don't fight someone tall, fast and powerful.

Pacquiao vs Marquez.

That's why you shouldn't ever try to be aggressive.

Cotto vs Margarito.

That's why you don't fight someone who throws 100 punches a round.

Annnnnyway, you just said 'don't throw this punch because you could get knocked out'.

That's incredibly daft. You can get countered throwing anything. Any punch at all. That's boxing. You shouldn't throw an uppercut from too far out, because you could get KTFO. Buster Douglas vs Holyfield. We get taught when to throw something, how to throw, etc etc, so that doesn't happen. It's always a possibility though.

Do you tell people to never throw the uppercut and that it should become obsolete because it can be easily countered with devastating effect?

It had more to do with Donaire having a great counter left hook than it had anything to do with the punch he countered.

[alexguiness]

In my experience the mythical 'right hook' is not generally encouraged within the amateur ranks - I too was once told that there is 'no such thing..'

But...

It is a useful punch to the body AND head if used appropriately.

The danger is (of course) when thrown wildly or with poor timing you are very open to a shorter counter.

A 'right hook' takes a long time to arrive, too easy to telegraph to be used regularly.

But it has it's place.

[Tbox050]

Mayweather vs Cotto.

That's why you do use a right hook.

Joshua Clottey vs anyone.

That's why you do use a right hook.

Or maybe we should go another way for such an absurd, out of context, generalised post...let's not even get into the fact that Donaire has knocked out nearly everyone with a counter left hook, no matter what the punch he countered.

Roberto Duran vs Tommy Hearns.

That's why you don't fight someone tall, fast and powerful.

Pacquiao vs Marquez.

That's why you shouldn't ever try to be aggressive.

Cotto vs Margarito.

That's why you don't fight someone who throws 100 punches a round.

Annnnnyway, you just said 'don't throw this punch because you could get knocked out'.

That's incredibly daft. You can get countered throwing anything. Any punch at all. That's boxing. You shouldn't throw an uppercut from too far out, because you could get KTFO. Buster Douglas vs Holyfield. We get taught when to throw something, how to throw, etc etc, so that doesn't happen. It's always a possibility though.

Do you tell people to never throw the uppercut and that it should become obsolete because it can be easily countered with devastating effect?

It had more to do with Donaire having a great counter left hook than it had anything to do with the punch he countered.

Okay, I didn't really elaborate on it.
My point is the right hook is the most widest punch out of your entire arsenal that you can throw. (At least when you throw it hard and with bad intentions). The shortest way to counter it is the left hook, which in this case almost never misses, hence the Donaire vs. Montiel excample.
There you can clearly see that Montiel is looking to cause some damage, his hook still lands a little bit and Donaire, who as you said is a great left hook artist, knocks him out cold.

I didn't try to say to not throw a certain punch because you can get knocked out. But of all the punches in the game a right hook makes you the most vulnerable.

I like the way Tyson throws his right hook but he was quite vulnerable too. I like the way Mayweather made his adjustment against Cotto, but he was the right opponent to do this, just like GGG right hook against Stevens was against the right opponent, because he was so much shorter than GGG.

When it works, it works.
If not you'll get countered that's all...

[BennyST]

Okay, I didn't really elaborate on it.
My point is the right hook is the most widest punch out of your entire arsenal that you can throw. (At least when you throw it hard and with bad intentions). The shortest way to counter it is the left hook, which in this case almost never misses, hence the Donaire vs. Montiel excample.
There you can clearly see that Montiel is looking to cause some damage, his hook still lands a little bit and Donaire, who as you said is a great left hook artist, knocks him out cold.

I didn't try to say to not throw a certain punch because you can get knocked out. But of all the punches in the game a right hook makes you the most vulnerable.

I like the way Tyson throws his right hook but he was quite vulnerable too. I like the way Mayweather made his adjustment against Cotto, but he was the right opponent to do this, just like GGG right hook against Stevens was against the right opponent, because he was so much shorter than GGG.

When it works, it works.
If not you'll get countered that's all...

Yeah, cool.

It's a good punch in close. That's where I was always taught to use it. On the inside, or at close range, particularly when someone has the ol' ear muffs on.