How far do you push your body if its sore?

[TheMexHurricane]

I will by nature push myself beyond my limit if I don't focus on not overdoing it. I push myself until I wake up physically sick the next day. It's very easy for my enthusiamism to get the best of me though. Perhaps I'm weakening my immune system by weakening my body too much? I'm sick right now for this exact reason. That's why I didn't shake hands and chat with Chavez jr, WV2, Donaire, etc at the Alamodome--- I didn't want them to catch my cold. Great thread.

[Ray Corso]

If this thread is so weak why do you keep returning?
Everyone has different needs at different times during training. If your training to get into shape you'll be lees likely to bust it especially if weight loss is the main focus. The dinner table is as important as the gym time in many cases.
Rockin' I like your outspokeness but you should remember whats good for you may not work with someone else. As for your analogy on the shoulder issue if you keep working the shoulder and the pain continues there maybe damage to it so a wise trainer and fighter will seek help so that further damage doesn't spell a long term set back or a perminent closer.
If a young man training doesn't have the experience yet to tell soreness degrees or if theres a muscle, tendon or nerve problem advice like your giving without knowing the individuals circumstances just isn't wise. One of the very important jobs of a trainer is the longevity of his fighters and one of the ways to longevity is to limit the cronic injuries that seem so small in the beginning but can become an issue after 5 or 8 years dealing with it. You do want to train hard to hopefully let the fight be easier but theres right and wrong approaches to overcome certain issues that arise in training that why very few fighters train themselves. Outside eyes are needed to watch and an experienced mind to say go and stop can avoid pitfalls that fighters don't usually see. Go Team!

oh a quick comment for you Rockin' never demean your oponents if you think he was nothing I guess theres nothing to brag about. Real fighters have respect for anyone who gets in the ring even if their talents lack. Its sorta of a code of ethics between men. Good luck on your first pro fight, remember if your traveling to it you better bring your KO shoes because winning on the road in the beginning is a tuff thing to do. Unless you can sell tickets or your lily white with a punch. best to you. Ray.

[Rockin']

If this thread is so weak why do you keep returning?
Everyone has different needs at different times during training. If your training to get into shape you'll be lees likely to bust it especially if weight loss is the main focus. The dinner table is as important as the gym time in many cases.
Rockin' I like your outspokeness but you should remember whats good for you may not work with someone else. As for your analogy on the shoulder issue if you keep working the shoulder and the pain continues there maybe damage to it so a wise trainer and fighter will seek help so that further damage doesn't spell a long term set back or a perminent closer.
If a young man training doesn't have the experience yet to tell soreness degrees or if theres a muscle, tendon or nerve problem advice like your giving without knowing the individuals circumstances just isn't wise. One of the very important jobs of a trainer is the longevity of his fighters and one of the ways to longevity is to limit the cronic injuries that seem so small in the beginning but can become an issue after 5 or 8 years dealing with it. You do want to train hard to hopefully let the fight be easier but theres right and wrong approaches to overcome certain issues that arise in training that why very few fighters train themselves. Outside eyes are needed to watch and an experienced mind to say go and stop can avoid pitfalls that fighters don't usually see. Go Team!

oh a quick comment for you Rockin' never demean your oponents if you think he was nothing I guess theres nothing to brag about. Real fighters have respect for anyone who gets in the ring even if their talents lack. Its sorta of a code of ethics between men. Good luck on your first pro fight, remember if your traveling to it you better bring your KO shoes because winning on the road in the beginning is a tuff thing to do. Unless you can sell tickets or your lily white with a punch. best to you. Ray.

I keep returning because most of what is written in this thread is rubbish writen by those who have never done it, never been there and they just recite what they have read in books.

With the shoulder comment it was meant as a one time deal when you are fighting and you get tired. I agree that injuries need to be handled delicately but fatigue is not an injury but rather a state of mind. How far can you push yourself when needed?

I always had respect fort my opponents before the opening bell, but once that bell sounds all respect is gone. I entered the ring (after getting with this trainer) in incredible shape and knew that there was little chance that my opponent could match it. I was a pressure fighter in the pros. Whether we were sparring or in a fight I knew that I could fight the entire bout with my foot heavy on the gas pedal. Most could not keep up with the pace that I would set. I had good skills, the great endurance from the hard training only made me tougher to fight.

I've already done my fighting. My first pro bout lasted about 1-1/2 minutes before I busted the guy through the ropes and then dropped him again about 15 seconds later. I left boxing for different reason but it was not because I was over trained or sustained any kind of injuries. The only injuries I ever suffered were a couple of cuts, some sore ribs and an odd injury to my neck muscle when I was closing my car door, that was odd.

You guys can do as you like. I've been there and done that when it comes to training this way and let me tell you that this is the way to go. I'd get in and fight Tarrick Salmaci for three rounds and then Bronco McCart would step in fresh and I'd war three more rounds with him. After that they may bring a less experienced guy in for me to play with for a couple of rounds. This was on a daily basis. Work 4 with Lonnie Beasley and then some one steps in fresh for another 3 rounds. I was doing more than I ever imagined I could.

All that I can say is that if we both trained fighters mine would be an exceptionaly conditioned specimen. That's half the fight right there.

And I was a white boy that could certainly fight. I was paid very well for my fights at the Palace of Auburn Hills, about 8x the going rate for those fights. .........Rockin'

[ChampSince84]

we're trying to raise a fighter here, not a *****.

you go and do your 8 week cycle with a week off at it's completion. While the other fighters are still training through and after your eight weeks, you go and take your rest. One day of rest every week is plenty of rest and will allow you to grow stronger.

your theory is one that I have never heard in the boxing circles for the 25+ years I've been in it. I would say that the instructions were for a bodybuilder and not a fighter............Rockin'

and thats why u fail, every athlete needs rest and proper diet. there is such thing called "over training" if thats how u do it, i bet by fight nite ur completly drained

[Rockin']

and thats why u fail, every athlete needs rest and proper diet. there is such thing called "over training" if thats how u do it, i bet by fight nite ur completly drained

:wank:

I was never drained for fights, we'd taper off the workouts as fights came closer to date. You guys would bring up a bunch of puzzies in my opinion.

As a matter of fact I moved up a weight class to fight this guy from Africa. By the fourth round this guy had had enough and the ref pulled me off of him as I was machine gunning his head with my fists as he layed on the ropes. When the fight was over I got showered, changed, stitched up by the doctor and then I threw my equipment bag over my shoulder and ran up the flight of stairs at the Palace to meet my friends for a celebration. I could have done 4 more that night......Rockin'

[pain=gain]

you will find yourself behind all of the other fighters in other gyms that started the same time that you did with that attitude. When you are in the competitive ring fighting and your shoulder gets sore do you just stop throwing punches or do you push through it and still try to win?

This thread has been the biggest in bull****, whining and in general just weak mentality.

For about the first month or month and a half after deciding to turn pro I could barely get out of bed each morning but I still went running. After waking from the run to go to the gym at noon again I could hardly get out of bed and walk. But each day I got to the gym, took the time to STRETCH PROPERLY and went to war. As soon as my trainer and I got together for a run at the pros he doubled what my previous workouts used to be. Thats 2X the rounds sparring, on the heavy bag, on the speed bag, on the double ended bag and floor work.

Yeah, I thought that I was gonna die working this hard day after day. But you know what, I didn't die and I made it through it injury free. After 2 months of being rediculously sore it just stopped hurting. Then I was able to go through the 2 1/2 workouts and I'd feel great after them. Needless to say I was a tough guy to come up against in sparring or in fights.

The one amatuer bout that I had after getting together with my trainer, before my pro debut, was a cake walk. I went down to Ohio to fight this cat that was turning pro soon aswell. I kicked his a$$ from corner to corner and this guy was supposed to be something good. I was beating on him so bad that at one point he lifted his foot from the canvas trying to cover his body with his leg, I was really puttin' some sauce on those ribs. Anyway, the ref gave him a standing 8 count at that point and I went on to win a decision by a huge margin.

The stiffness and soreness in the morning just tells you that you worked hard the night before. It does not mean that you have to rest, it means that you should get back in there and fight through it. Just always be sure to stretch properly before starting your workout.

Now if you want to disagree with what I said you certainly have the right to. But when fight night comes you'd better be praying that you don't come up against a guy with my training mentality because chances are that in the 2nd and 3rd rounds you will be far more tired than your opponent and he will just turn up the gas and beat on you.

Being in proper and excellent shape is 1/2 the fight if not more.......Rockin'

How old were you when you turned pro? and when did you start boxing? Just wonderin, because i personally think your opinion is very inspiring.

[Rockin']

How old were you turned pro? and when did you start boxing? Just wonderin, because i personally think your opinion is very inspiring.

I started at age 14 and turned pro at 21..........Rockin'

[Rockin']

I find this thread and the people disagreeing with me to be fackin' hilarious.

Hypethetically, you join the army and are sent to boot camp. They bust your ass the first day and getting up the next morning you find yourself sore and in pain. So you tell the drill seargant that you are really sore.

Will he say, "you worked hard yesterday and your body needs a break so go ahead and take the day off. Make sure you tell me when you feel good enough to rejoin the boot camp squad."

Or will he laugh in your face and tell you that your mommy is not running this camp but that he runs it. He'll then tell you to be in formation when called and you will do it all again as sore as you may be or you'll end up in the brigg.

The army raises soldiers, not puzzies.

A good trainer will raise a soldier, not a whining b!tch.........Rockin'

[ChampSince84]

:wank:

I was never drained for fights, we'd taper off the workouts as fights came closer to date. You guys would bring up a bunch of puzzies in my opinion.

As a matter of fact I moved up a weight class to fight this guy from Africa. By the fourth round this guy had had enough and the ref pulled me off of him as I was machine gunning his head with my fists as he layed on the ropes. When the fight was over I got showered, changed, stitched up by the doctor and then I threw my equipment bag over my shoulder and ran up the flight of stairs at the Palace to meet my friends for a celebration. I could have done 4 more that night......Rockin'

ahhh i knew u looked familiar. u were on "got a grudge" rite?

[Rockin']

ahhh i knew u looked familiar. u were on "got a grudge" rite?

What is got a grudge. What I was talking about happened at The Palace of Auburnhills on their fight night cards. I was actually supposed to be on the USA network but the fat guys kept clinching and holding so I never got on....Rockin'