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  • #21
    Originally posted by Ogecca MaMa View Post
    you got it there!!!


    bollacks. I can find specialists like you, who box every once in a year, and they "know what they are talking about"



    so according to you neck is the key? I don't think we will find a compromise together, and with my English I won't be able to express myself.

    read carefully
    http://www.bccorefitness.com/article...-template.html
    I trained boxing since I was 13.
    I'm 20 now and haven't trained regularly since I was 17 due to a nagging back injury. I still train but I can't sustain more then 2 month at a time.

    I'm not saying that I'm an expert but every coach I have had has always said a stronger neck means better resistance.
    So does almost every pro coach.
    I get dizzy extremely easy(can barely turn my head without getting dizzy), yet I have never gotten rocked or stunned.
    You said this:
    In this occasion your best friend has to be your vestibular apparatus. If you have any kind of problems with it, for example: yo u get dizzy easily riding roller coasters or have sea sickness, and you do boxing, 99% that you will get dropped by decent punch.
    You said this, not me so don't come and pretend as if you know best.
    Next time read what I write instead of getting offended when people doesn't agree with you.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Ogecca MaMa View Post
      I didn't say it doesnt help. Every exercise helps. Usually neck work out help you to prevent injuries and build it stronger. Your head won't bounce with strong neck as well. I don't those people who posted before, have troubles with roller rides, but they can take hell of a punch. If you throw up after riding a roller coaster, you most likely going to get dropped by a decent punch. May be you don't have a problem with your vistibular system at all.

      Most coaches and good boxers will tell you this. Meanwhile my buddy that I know for many years, can't get on pro lvl and he competes only inside national tournaments. he has problems and he can't train or make it better at all. The only thing is a quick surgery or whatever it is, where they put those little things/balls inside your ears back on the place. they just started doing this type of surgs, so Im not sure how they called.

      @Rockin, you probably never had that kind of problem, so eventually exercise for your neck helped you out. however it's not major point of getting dropped.

      Flicker is on the same road with me
      I wouldn't say dats spot on to be honest yu know, Manny Pacquiao gets weak off blood tests and needles, and so do i, i get proper dizzy, light headed n sick, (same kinda ting) n can hardly move my arms for the next 2 days... But i've only ever been dropped twice, and one of them times was by a i'd say abwt a LHW - cruiserweight (I was Light Welter @ the time) boxer with no gloves on in a nightclub Lol, n he knocked me the f*** out to be fair lol, was paraletic though... He combo'd me, first landed flush on my chin under my mouth, which dropped me, he then ****** me twice as i was droppin aswell, the f***er!! made my left ear turn bright blue/purple for 2-3 weeks! I got up soon after though so i manned it still. Couldn't f***in eat for a few days after aswell as my jaw was so ****ed Lol funny, but ****ery. I looked like a muppet...
      Last edited by Marshall89; 10-20-2011, 03:05 PM.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by kbpoetree View Post
        man i train a lil of everybody lol...I coach at a MMA gym..I only box tho..mostly I have like 5 serious boxers...then i have 5-10 whom come in just wanting to do it for fun..then later want to do it for competing..then of course i have the 5-10 who come in just for the physical aspect of it...and of course i have the couple guys whom want to compete in UFC and actually do the mix of the arts and not just Jiu Jitsu..lol...I posted a sparring 2rds couple days ago from my i'd say 2 better guys..we all young at it no doubt tho...I def wouldnt say i'm an expert coach..but i know enough for amateurs, but still lots to learn as we all do in my opinion...I was coached by Jonathan Reid..whom was on Season 1 of Contender...
        aw man amateur or not, you already a coach and that's a big thing. just take of it the best and work hard, you will have your champs. this thing where everyone comes in separate time is messed up, but again, you are in US or Canada, people work shift hours and not everyone is free always. I wish you good luck with it, and in the morning i'll find your videos. bed time for me

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Marshall89 View Post
          I wouldn't say dats spot on to be honest yu know, Manny Pacquiao gets weak off blood tests and needles, and so do i, i get proper dizzy, light headed n sick, (same kinda tin) n can hardly move my arms for the next 2 days... But i've only ever been dropped twice, and one of them times was by a cruiserweight (I was Light Welter @ the time) boxer with no gloves on in a nightclub Lol, n he knocked me the f*** out to be fair lol, was paraletic though... He combo'd me, first landed flush on my chin under my mouth, which dropped me, he then ****** me twice as i was droppin aswell, the f***er!! made my left ear turn bright blue/purple for 2-3 weeks! I got up soon after though so i manned it still. Couldn't f***in eat for a few days after aswell as my jaw was so ****ed Lol funny man
          ouch..you funny guy. if you assume he was a crusier, he might have been 80-90 kilos, and anyone with proper punch who weighs 75kilos+ can knock the **** out anyone. Some people even die, from punches like that, or during the KO..when person hits the ground with a head..instant death.

          you have to be careful with that, never let a heavier person punch you first. I hope you learned your lesson already))

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Mohammedini View Post
            I trained boxing since I was 13.
            I'm 20 now and haven't trained regularly since I was 17 due to a nagging back injury. I still train but I can't sustain more then 2 month at a time.

            I'm not saying that I'm an expert but every coach I have had has always said a stronger neck means better resistance.
            So does almost every pro coach.
            I get dizzy extremely easy(can barely turn my head without getting dizzy), yet I have never gotten rocked or stunned.
            You said this:

            You said this, not me so don't come and pretend as if you know best.
            Next time read what I write instead of getting offended when people doesn't agree with you.
            as long as you have a point when you disagree. your point was that neck exercise help, not to get rocked and dizzy. And that I was wrong. Now you said that this helps for resistance, which is right. head will bounce less and less chance of getting injured there. but the point is, even with strong neck, having this sickness, straight punch to the chin - shakes your brain, and bam..it's like you are on the small boat in the ocean during the storm.

            and you are the one, who called me funny.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Ogecca MaMa View Post
              ouch..you funny guy. if you assume he was a crusier, he might have been 80-90 kilos, and anyone with proper punch who weighs 75kilos+ can knock the **** out anyone. Some people even die, from punches like that, or during the KO..when person hits the ground with a head..instant death.

              you have to be careful with that, never let a heavier person punch you first. I hope you learned your lesson already))
              I was alright cos i had my boys there, dragged me back up to me feet n they (not me, i was in no fit state) started ****in him. But i've learnt to not get so drunk i can hardly walk n kick off with a geezer twice my size Lol.
              One of my boys knew the geezer, and told me he was a boxer afterwards enit, which made things more clear... Was spark out 4 a few seconds, effectively off one punch
              Last edited by Marshall89; 10-20-2011, 03:50 PM.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Mohammedini View Post
                Stronger neck makes so that your head don't get moved by a punch as easily.
                Make your head resist a bounce back after a punch that can get you rocked.
                Good balance only make you able to stay standing while you are rocked not a better chin.
                Ey Flicker! if your head moves around by a punch it makes it easier for you to get KTFO lol. Why would agility in your neck make you resistant to KO's?
                How does it help to get your head whipped to the side by a punch?

                I have trained my neck and Trapatsius to the point that my head barely get moved by punches and that is what I credit my granite chin to
                I wrote this^^^ immediately after my first post.
                You are the one who said that it was 99% certain that you would get dropped by a decent punch if you get dizzy easily and i said it is funny because I ahve never been rocked/stunned/dropped before and I have taken some bombs on my chin my friend.
                Don't make me quote you again cuz you are making zero sense right now friend.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Ogecca MaMa View Post
                  our vestibular system is the system responsible for equilibrium during motion.
                  It consists of 3 semi-circular canals in your inner ears. These canals are filled with a liquid that spins as your head moves. This spinning liquid relays information to your brain about your movement, it keeps you from falling down, essentially telling you which way is up.

                  For the fitness enthusiast it means not falling on your butt when slipping on ice. For athletes and fighters it means staying on your feet when getting hit by an opponent.

                  Its certainly an interesting theory and could make some logical sense.

                  Obviously, when we are drunk it messes up with the liquid in our ear canals and makes us stagger around not much differently from a guy staggered by a punch. So I can see where this one is going.

                  But I think there are other factors too. When absorbing a brutal head blow, I'd have thought that more than the vestibular system are affected. Brain trauma, optic nerve issues, stressed neck muscles and possibly even upper spinal issues could all contribute to the feeling of dizziness or KO too.

                  Tiredness and weak legs could be an issue too. Not every 10 count is down to a genuine 'knock out'.

                  Leverage could be an issue too. George Chuvalo (owner of one of heavyweight histories best chins once said......'if I had a neck like a stack of dimes maybe I wouldn't have had a good chin'.

                  As I've said before, I do get seasick and hate fairground rides that spin but have never had a problem holding a head punch. I like to think my days of getting punched in the head are long gone, but after 10 years of martial arts and then boxing I was only ever decked by body blows.

                  Perhaps a comparison could be done between boxers with known weak chins and try to establish if they also are prone to seasickness or are known fairground wimps unlikely to partake in adrenaline hits such as skydiving etc.

                  Ha ha, I wonder if the doubtably chinned Wladimir Klitschko was that annoying younger brother who was always complaining that he was travel sick, or was sick on boats or wimped out of the cups and saucer ride at the local fair! Whereas solid chinned older brother Vitali wondered what the hell was wrong with him!?

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                  • #29
                    I heard a very strong chin comes from a mindframe, you're going to want to be able to take the punch.

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                    • #30
                      i think a strong neck andjaw makes it harder to ge stunned or wobbled and solid strong and not spindly legs will help keep u on ur feeet and catch u when ur hurt

                      ur will power and over all conditioning is a factor also

                      its not just one thing there are tons of facotrs

                      ts's post is interesting stuff andthat is definatly got to be a part of it

                      but thick cranium strong tem[pralis muscles and sturdy legs ans thick necks and iron will will definatly make u hard mofo to hurt pr put out when hurt

                      there are plenty of factors tho

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