Workouts for the weaklings

[Spartacus Sully]

I live out in the country in the state of ohio, WAY out in the country. There are only small towns around here, and none of them have a boxing gym.

you can teach yourself to box at home it just takes like 10 times more dedication then just paying the monthly fee at your local gym and showing up twice a week.

id reccomend you read http://www.freecirclefighting.com/jdbook.pdf

to get the basic idea of stance and guard. it also contains tons of other useful information but your not going to be able to utilize it for atleast a year. plus things have changed alittle since 1950 so everything may not be exact to current day.

your going to want a heavy bag and a video camera so you can watch your self after your done on the bag or shadow boxing. you can also go 2 min round on the bag, watch your self for mistakes, 2 min round on the bag, watch your self for mistakes you can also do 3 mins or even a few rounds then watch for mistakes.

your also going to want a some what athelitic friend whos willing to spar you and listen to your advice so they get better at boxing as well.

so lets start with the jab.

your going to get into stance (chapter 11), chin tucked, put your guard up, and get in front of a mirror. so the jab has a few parts to it, so your going to raise up your left shoulder and throw your hand out their with it to jab make suer the force is coming from the raising of your left shoulder and not your arm, the fist and arm should also come out completely straight from where it was pointed when you threw it.

when you jab look at your self in the mirror look at your waist. when you throw the jab your waist should be moving, not rotating just moving a very little bit kinda just swaying or rocking. im sure you can find videos of people jabbing on line look around and look for this waist movement.

next when your looking at your self your going to look at your right shoulder when you jab. now even with your left shoulder jutting up and your waist rocking this right shoulder of yours should not be moving at all. if your right shoulder is moving its not a jab its a left straight and your not working on the left straights now. plus with your right moving your become less square and you telegraph your punches.

[Suckmedry]

you can teach yourself to box at home it just takes like 10 times more dedication then just paying the monthly fee at your local gym and showing up twice a week.

id reccomend you read http://www.freecirclefighting.com/jdbook.pdf

to get the basic idea of stance and guard. it also contains tons of other useful information but your not going to be able to utilize it for atleast a year. plus things have changed alittle since 1950 so everything may not be exact to current day.

your going to want a heavy bag and a video camera so you can watch your self after your done on the bag or shadow boxing. you can also go 2 min round on the bag, watch your self for mistakes, 2 min round on the bag, watch your self for mistakes you can also do 3 mins or even a few rounds then watch for mistakes.

your also going to want a some what athelitic friend whos willing to spar you and listen to your advice so they get better at boxing as well.

so lets start with the jab.

your going to get into stance (chapter 11), chin tucked, put your guard up, and get in front of a mirror. so the jab has a few parts to it, so your going to raise up your left shoulder and throw your hand out their with it to jab make suer the force is coming from the raising of your left shoulder and not your arm, the fist and arm should also come out completely straight from where it was pointed when you threw it.

when you jab look at your self in the mirror look at your waist. when you throw the jab your waist should be moving, not rotating just moving a very little bit kinda just swaying or rocking. im sure you can find videos of people jabbing on line look around and look for this waist movement.

next when your looking at your self your going to look at your right shoulder when you jab. now even with your left shoulder jutting up and your waist rocking this right shoulder of yours should not be moving at all. if your right shoulder is moving its not a jab its a left straight and your not working on the left straights now. plus with your right moving your become less square and you telegraph your punches.

A good boxer has never been made without a trainer. Waste of time trying to teach yourself.

[Suckmedry]

Sorry but to become a fighter, you need to get to a gym. You say you are moving to Florida? I'm sure there would be plenty of gyms there. My advice would be to start running, start with 2 miles and build up to 4. Keep a steady pace and push yourself. After a few weeks start doing sprints, like one lap of a football field or running track, then rest for 30 seconds and repeat 4-5 times. Also start doing as many pushups and situps as you can in sets of 10 or 20 (then build up gradually)

Keep doing that, running and doing push-ups/situps at least every other day, until you move to Florida. That should have you in solid enough shape and you will be ready to learn boxing at a proper gym when you get near one. (hopefully in Florida)

I would forget the heavy bag, forget punching at all until you get to a gym and learn it properly, doing it yourself will build bad habits that will take considerable time to erase.

Maybe use the jumping rope a bit too, go for as long as you can and build up.

Bascially I'm saying just get in shape with running and bodyweight exercises, until you move and hopefully get within reach of a gym.

[Spartacus Sully]

A good boxer has never been made without a trainer. Waste of time trying to teach yourself.

a trainer dosnt need to come from a gym. people like dempsey who learned how to box solely from the little tidbits he picked up along his way and practice did he have a trainer? yes every body he met was his trainer.

did he pay some trainer 100$ a month to teach him to box? no.

what about marciano? im sure in the early times he didnt have a trainer and id bet when he was spending hours on his 300? lb heavy bag there wasnt a trainer there either but if it wasnt for the lack of a trainer he would never have never learned how to throw the hooks he threw and probly would have lost a ****load more with out that one hit ko power coming from an unorthodox punch that any current day trainer would put an end to.

a trainer is no different then watching youtube training videos. its just another guy that used to box, never made anything of himself, and now thinks that because he used to box even though he failed at it he has every right to physically and technically train new up and coming boxers. sure he might have some useful things to say but that dosnt mean any of it is correct.

[Suckmedry]

a trainer dosnt need to come from a gym. people like dempsey who learned how to box solely from the little tidbits he picked up along his way and practice did he have a trainer? yes every body he met was his trainer.

did he pay some trainer 100$ a month to teach him to box? no.

what about marciano? im sure in the early times he didnt have a trainer and id bet when he was spending hours on his 300? lb heavy bag there wasnt a trainer there either but if it wasnt for the lack of a trainer he would never have never learned how to throw the hooks he threw and probly would have lost a ****load more with out that one hit ko power coming from an unorthodox punch that any current day trainer would put an end to.
a trainer is no different then watching youtube training videos. its just another guy that used to box, never made anything of himself, and now thinks that because he used to box even though he failed at it he has every right to physically and technically train new up and coming boxers. sure he might have some useful things to say but that dosnt mean any of it is correct.

You have no idea what you are talking about. End of story. You don't need to pay a trainer 100 a month, that is way too much. I've seen good trainers coach for free.

"a trainer is no different then watching youtube training videos" ******est thing I've read on this board in while. If you had any level of experience as a boxer, you would know that that's a load of ****.

[The Stretch]

Nnnggh... I don't know who to listen to!

Should I try teaching myself boxing, and possibly get better at the risk of learning bad technique?

Or should I just try getting fit, but risk not having any idea how to fight?

I know there are boxing legends out there who started off training by themselves, but is that just natural talent that let them be so great? Or was it really just because they worked hard teaching themselves to box?

Maybe if I just tried to learn just a little technique? Nothing big like Hooks and Uppercuts. Maybe just stances and Jabs. But what about the Speedbag? Could I suffer from bad technique by not having a trainer there while I practice on it? And could just trying to punch the Heavybag actually make me worse at punching right?

Waah! I don't know what to do!

[Spartacus Sully]

You have no idea what you are talking about. End of story. You don't need to pay a trainer 100 a month, that is way too much. I've seen good trainers coach for free.

"a trainer is no different then watching youtube training videos" ******est thing I've read on this board in while. If you had any level of experience as a boxer, you would know that that's a load of ****.

100$ is what the mma/boxing gym charged me to do 40 mins of jump rope push ups jump squats and sit ups then 20 mins or 3 rounds of shadow boxing/pratice with a partner and 3 rounds of heavy bag.

sure watching a video on you tube and actually having some there watching you do it and critique you is diffrent but the information is all the same and if you know the information then you can watch and critique your self and work on what needs improvement.

[Spartacus Sully]

Nnnggh... I don't know who to listen to!

Should I try teaching myself boxing, and possibly get better at the risk of learning bad technique?

Or should I just try getting fit, but risk not having any idea how to fight?

I know there are boxing legends out there who started off training by themselves, but is that just natural talent that let them be so great? Or was it really just because they worked hard teaching themselves to box?

Maybe if I just tried to learn just a little technique? Nothing big like Hooks and Uppercuts. Maybe just stances and Jabs. But what about the Speedbag? Could I suffer from bad technique by not having a trainer there while I practice on it? And could just trying to punch the Heavybag actually make me worse at punching right?

Waah! I don't know what to do!

any bad habits you learn will be straightened out at a gym with in a month assuming you continue to work hard.

what you dont want to do is join some mma/boxing gym just because your afraid of learning bad technique and then be stuck in a contract for the next year while your being taught by lazy half assed people that were trained there just like you only a few months ago but because the main thing they do is physical exercise not boxing it dosnt matter whos teaching you.

as far as speed bag and heavy bag it dosnt matter that much. you dont really need a speed bag but it has its uses so if you dont have one no big deal. if you do have one i reccomend its a large one and you just use it mainly for the back hand tatto.

on the fast, light bag-which is about the height of an opponents head-one can sharpen his speed and timing for "head-hunting"; and one also can practice the back-hand, warding-off stroke until it becomes automatic

check out chapter 21 and read about the glance off.
http://www.freecirclefighting.com/jdbook.pdf

If you watch a professional fighter punch the light bag, you'll note that more than half his bag-work comprises a rhythmic tattoo achieved like this: straight left - backhand left - straight right - backhand right -straight left - etc. You may ask, "Why this backhand striking, when the backhand blow is illegal in boxing?"

The answer to that is: He's sharpening his backhand for glance-offs and blocking. If you get a chance to use the light bag, spend half your time on that tattoo. A power-backhand for glancing and blocking is almost as useful for a fighter as is a good backhand for a tennis player.

as far as a heavy bag goes id recommend something light 40-60 pounds so if your form is bad you wont completely f**k up your wrists, and once your need a heavier bag id recommend just adding like 10 lb to the bag you already have with sand or something and slowly increasing the weight so your body can slowly become accustom to it building a much better foundation for you to build even further upon

at first just throw jabs, circle the bag (work foot work), get used to distance so the jab ends at the bag, chin tucked, stay wedge like and keep your right up. eventually when your comfortable with the jab and all that goes with it you can start throwing right straights and youll notice that youll start dropping your right all over again so then work on your jabs and right straights till you can do them with out dropping your right, keeping your chin tucked, circle the bag, and keep correct distance. then maybe throw in some bobbing and weaving and once again youll notice the right dropping ect ect so keep that up till you can do all of it with out making noticeable mistakes then the left straight out of the bob then the left hook then the right hook then upper cuts allways both concentrating on just the activity added in like bobbing or right hooks with the stance making sure everything is correct and guarded along with the added in activity mixed in with everything you already know.

if you ever have questions about how to throw this punch or that punch or if your doing one thing right or another thing dont just ask some one ask every one you can and listen/try everything you hear till you find what feels most right for you and works the best. when you start to throw right straights dont just listen to what it says in the dempsey book but do google searches and read every thing you can, search you tube and watch everything you can and then take this mass of imformation you now have and pick what makes sense and what dosnt then try it out on the bag or when sparring (your athletic friend who you spar and work with in learning how to box that you should have if you want to learn how to box on your own)and if it dosnt quite work remember that and improve it, if it does work remember that and improve it, if it only works in certain situations then remember that and improve it.

but the reality is that unless you get to a gym you will never box another person in an actual match.

[Suckmedry]

Nnnggh... I don't know who to listen to!

Should I try teaching myself boxing, and possibly get better at the risk of learning bad technique?

Or should I just try getting fit, but risk not having any idea how to fight?

I know there are boxing legends out there who started off training by themselves, but is that just natural talent that let them be so great? Or was it really just because they worked hard teaching themselves to box?

Maybe if I just tried to learn just a little technique? Nothing big like Hooks and Uppercuts. Maybe just stances and Jabs. But what about the Speedbag? Could I suffer from bad technique by not having a trainer there while I practice on it? And could just trying to punch the Heavybag actually make me worse at punching right?

Waah! I don't know what to do!

Maybe, at the very beginning of their interest in boxing, but they all very soon got trainers and it was then that they achieved success.

Doesn't matter how talented you are, you will never go anywhere without a trainer, you need to have a registered coach to fight in the first place ffs.

Honestly, take my advice. I'm not the most experienced on here, but I have some experience, more than enough to know that trying to teach yourself is ******, and will get you no where.

[Yael The Great]

Sorry but to become a fighter, you need to get to a gym. You say you are moving to Florida? I'm sure there would be plenty of gyms there. My advice would be to start running, start with 2 miles and build up to 4. Keep a steady pace and push yourself. After a few weeks start doing sprints, like one lap of a football field or running track, then rest for 30 seconds and repeat 4-5 times. Also start doing as many pushups and situps as you can in sets of 10 or 20 (then build up gradually)

Keep doing that, running and doing push-ups/situps at least every other day, until you move to Florida. That should have you in solid enough shape and you will be ready to learn boxing at a proper gym when you get near one. (hopefully in Florida)

I would forget the heavy bag, forget punching at all until you get to a gym and learn it properly, doing it yourself will build bad habits that will take considerable time to erase.

Maybe use the jumping rope a bit too, go for as long as you can and build up.

Bascially I'm saying just get in shape with running and bodyweight exercises, until you move and hopefully get within reach of a gym.

This is what you should listen to.