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  • #11
    Originally posted by atgatt View Post
    rsk, that is not the reason for "so of course I would say something like that."

    Is it below me to ask for logical reasons why? What claim is not right in the comparison of the sparring partner to the RBT? Am I lying?

    Because your boxing bags have been in gyms for years makes anything new not beneficial?

    So I could accept it being called ******ed, but please understand why you'd want legitimate reasons why if you were in my shoes. But if you don't want to give logical reasons why and just make a statement, that's fine and I will have to leave it at that.

    We both agree that there is nothing like a trainer and a sparring partner. I'm sorry if I somehow gave that impression. Still, there are tools to help fighting techniques make a person better at real fighting.

    Agreed too, it does seem ****** and ******ed. I am being honest about it when I just sat and looked at it. I often thought what a waist of my time making it, but every time I box against, I have a ball even though it is a workout and smacks me around. At least I get hit less as time goes on and hit it more. So it did teach me something and still does.
    O.k. so now you're backpedalling. Are you, or are you not comparing it to a sparring partner and do you not on your site from the comparison-chart insinuate that your robot has more advantages than a normal sparring partner? Look guy, to each his own. If it helps you and others, than great. To me for what it does, I can get out of standard boxing equipment, regular sparring, and an actual trainer. Nothing will ever be able to imitate that. I wish you the best of luck with your machine and hopefully it does well.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by rskumm21 View Post
      O.k. so now you're backpedalling. Are you, or are you not comparing it to a sparring partner and do you not on your site from the comparison-chart insinuate that your robot has more advantages than a normal sparring partner? Look guy, to each his own. If it helps you and others, than great. To me for what it does, I can get out of standard boxing equipment, regular sparring, and an actual trainer. Nothing will ever be able to imitate that. I wish you the best of luck with your machine and hopefully it does well.
      rsk, there are advantages but not more advantages overall. No sense in me re-listing the advantages that are in the site. If a person does not see them as advantages, then so be it. There's already a decent amount of equipment that has advantages over a partner, but not more overall.

      Forgive me if people see a slip bag as a great tool (which I agree it is) but don't see variable speed punch arms coming at them as a bigger advantage. Punch arms that will not hurt you if hit. Punch arms that you either have to slide, dock, block, back up from or get hit. Arms that come at you at random rather than an obvious pendulum swing. But...it's not a boxing partner so all is for naught.

      You don't know how much I'd like to add other punches like upper cuts and hooks I have ideas how to do but just don't have the extra funding right now. Maybe someday.

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      • #13
        I wouldn't use it as an alternative to sparring. However i'd love to use it to practice slipping, it's pretty fast and i'm sure it would be a great way to improve reflexes.

        Are there any plans to commercialize this?

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        • #14
          all i have to say is this is a realistic emulation of a sparring session or even drill sparring at that, a great tool for those who are too cautious to step into the ring.

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          • #15
            In no way shape or form should you be trying to market this as better then a sparring partner. It just makes you look foolish and ill-informed. Now that that is out of the way...

            I can see the benefit to it tho. And maybe even a market, as mentioned, for those not wanting to step through the ropes just yet, or even a tool for gyms for slipping, blocking and practicing head movement. I do think it requires more movement though, for it to be alluring to a gym and worth a purchase. I mean, I like the concept, robotic sparring tool...and understand there is expense in adding movement to it. Overall, it isn't ridiculous or anything, and looks to have potential.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by rskumm21 View Post
              It's ******ed. You can never replicate what it would be like to spar with actual human competition. I'd spend my $$$ on private lessons with an elite trainer for what that thing costs.
              I love these type of posts. Of course it can't replicate a sparring partner. But, no one that is thinking logically about it would use it in place of a sparring partner. It could be used as a great extra tool at home for some daily slipping, blocking practice by yourself.

              The great thing about it is that you don't need a sparring partner to practice. That's the whole point really. Anyone that thinks it replaces a sparring partner or should do so is just overreacting. But, if you are at home and feel like some quick training or a bit of extra stuff, then you have a great reflex tool to help you work out.

              You have sparring partners for sparring, heavy bags for punching, speed bags, double end bags, skipping ropes, shadowboxing etc etc. This can be used as one extra tool and it could actually be quite good. Nothing will ever replace a real person but use a bit of common sense will ya. He's not pretending it will, he's just giving a comparison to a real sparring partner to show the benefits of this thing. As another tool, it could be used for reflex training as well as training at home by yourself.



              Good stuff mate. I hope it works for you. Great idea.

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              • #17
                How much for one?

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                • #18
                  Last night I told my wife, I about give up. If someone approaches me to license it then I’d go for it, but I’m tired of trying to have people see the value of it. If a company made it, they could make it look better and get the cost down because of their higher volume. Still, I worked hard in coming up with it trying to keep cost down. If people want to spend a fortune on a “real” robotic arm that you see on YouTube that punches like someone is hammering a nail on the wall and call that a punch, go for it. Give me a straight jab.

                  The two people that “used it”, refused to box against it. Yes, it could be used for just slipping, but when you punch too, you leave an opening, and I’ll be dang if the RBT will expose that opening and punch you. At the higher speeds, I still wonder if a person if fast enough to stop it. You will get hit, but just like in any fight, you will get hit but some people know how to get hit less. They TRAIN to get hit less. It seems as if no one wants to be seen getting hit. I am the ONLY one that boxed against it! I want to get hit and see what I have to do to prevent getting hit as I get punches in too. I don’t care if I look fantastic hitting a bag or dummy that does not punch back at me. I’d rather look ****** trying to get punches in and see what I have to do getting punched less. I want punches that are realistic speeds that mimic human speeds all the way up to super fast. Screw the slip bag, give me a realistic speed of a jab, a jab that is the length of your average jab of 18”. If it is too fast, well heck, I could just turn it down and work at that speed until I trained to be fast enough to turn it up. But damn if I could have people see that benefit and I am not going to get any more frustrated trying.

                  Nearby boxing gyms and martial arts schools have not replied to my email requests to demo it there. I get the hint, there is really no interest. I can swallow all the hard work that I put into the RBT because I have it and absolutely LOVE using it. It is what I always have been wanting. It’s like I have to force myself to hit the other bags because it is so boring in comparison to the RBT, and for an overall workout nothing compares to the RBT in my home gym.

                  So my goal is to keep the patent. Enjoy the heck out of it knowing I have the best mechanical boxing training setup there is, SHORT OF A HUMAN TRAINING SPARRING PARTNER. Still, I stand by the advantages of the RBT and my question still stands, which of the advantages I list are not true?

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                  • #19
                    say i have an air compressor how much would it cost for one arm that has variable speeds and everything that i can use for slipping and can attach to something. id imagine it would be cheaper to only make one arm though i dont know how the whole system works and if it would work with one arm.

                    id also probably put a pair of 16's on the end have you ever tried that?
                    Last edited by Spartacus Sully; 10-14-2009, 08:05 AM.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by BennyST View Post
                      I love these type of posts. Of course it can't replicate a sparring partner. But, no one that is thinking logically about it would use it in place of a sparring partner. It could be used as a great extra tool at home for some daily slipping, blocking practice by yourself.

                      The great thing about it is that you don't need a sparring partner to practice. That's the whole point really. Anyone that thinks it replaces a sparring partner or should do so is just overreacting. But, if you are at home and feel like some quick training or a bit of extra stuff, then you have a great reflex tool to help you work out.

                      You have sparring partners for sparring, heavy bags for punching, speed bags, double end bags, skipping ropes, shadowboxing etc etc. This can be used as one extra tool and it could actually be quite good. Nothing will ever replace a real person but use a bit of common sense will ya. He's not pretending it will, he's just giving a comparison to a real sparring partner to show the benefits of this thing. As another tool, it could be used for reflex training as well as training at home by yourself.



                      Good stuff mate. I hope it works for you. Great idea.
                      If it's a separate tool from a sparring partner than why compare the two and make the robot out to be more beneficial than a partner? That's what he did on the website.

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