Are weights good for building explosiveness?

[Hearnsz]

Depends on what you're doing pushups for? Also, what's the most pushups you can do?

For explosiveness, I'd recommend doing some heavier stuff for strength, preferably a full body program since punching power is not just your arms. Along with the strength program, med ball throws, thrown like punches, are a pretty good way to convert some of that power to explosiveness. In this case, no more than 5 reps per "punch," and no more than 3 to 5 sets. You must not tire yourself out doing this. That is for endurance, which should be targeted in separate workouts.

I see, I don't really have alot of equipment at home though. Exect for a resistance band. Any bodymass exercice you could recommend though? Also please specify the reps per set.
Thanks in advance!

[PunchDrunk]

I think you're confusing impact with ability...
Workout out is for ability, technique is for impact. I'm not sure but this seems logical to me. It's hard to believe that some 200 lbs lazy butterturtle could punch as hard as a 200 lbs boxer just by using the right technique...

Put it this way: To people with equal ability, who wins? Obviously the one with better physical preparations. (or for the slow: Butterball is gonna get creamed by Rock McHard)

[rufige]

i'm just starting to incorporate squats into my routine to build explosiveness and i'm trying to cut down my weight. i know you can gain a lot of weight in your legs, so would squats be a bad thing to do if i'm trying to lose weight. if it does, is there anyway i can avoid it?

You are not gonna gain any weight if you are not gonna have a large coloric surplass/ On the other hand doing squats will ingrease yout testosterone level which is an ultimate fat burner.

I recommend you do high set/low rep scheme for squats. lets say 8 sets of 3. That way you will be able to use more weight(which means your body will produce even more test) and have some caloric deficit or at least cut down on carbs.

cool... PD and JC, do you agree with this?

[Hearnsz]

Put it this way: To people with equal ability, who wins? Obviously the one with better physical preparations. (or for the slow: Butterball is gonna get creamed by Rock McHard)

Mate you say the right thing but you misunderstood me. With ability I mean physical preparation. Someone who has worked out more the right way will be ABLE to punch harder. Now he just needs to make sure he uses the right technique to land it and have maximum impact.

[PunchDrunk]

Mate you say the right thing but you misunderstood me. With ability I mean physical preparation. Someone who has worked out more the right way will be ABLE to punch harder. Now he just needs to make sure he uses the right technique to land it and have maximum impact.

No, I was agreeing with what you said 100%. I just tried to clarify your point even more.

[j]

punchdrunk, i am talking about body method - which may be translated as technique in a somehwat limited vocabulary of boxing.

weights can give you more than what you got. but to be explosive, or train any other type of force, means refining what you already have.

there are a few weight related exercises that help. but that is only to a certain extent.

personally, the best exercises to help with a punch are those that are closely related to punching. which means being vertical and pushing your hand forward in the manner of a punch.

working with your punches against the air will help tremendously if you know how. working on a bag, try to use as little muscle tensing as possible. and remember my formula(momentum x time of transferrence.)


btw, would we count bag exercises and partner exercises as weight related since you have to move weight while hitting?

or are we simply talking about using weightlifting type exercises that more or less can help strengthen the body to be able to use explosive force. because, if the body is not physically prepared to be explosive, your body method/technique will not have as much impact as it could.

I think you're mistaking impact with ability...
Workout out is for ability, technique is for impact. I'm not sure but this seems logical to me. It's hard to believe that some 200 lbs lazy butterturtle could punch as hard as a 200 lbs boxer just by using the right technique

believe me, i am not confused about any topic related to punching.

i am not sure i get the last part of your statement. being lazy will get you nowhere. do you think i am against staying in shape? or against working with weight in regard to punching?

i think you are separating working out and techniques. i mostly combine them. they are inseparable anyways. even lifting weights requires technique as you know.

a simple punch thrown in shadowboxing requies the use of weight - your own. how you control it determines a lot in regards to punching.

this is why i asked if there are any people near chitown or brewtown. i can show you much easier than i can describe. but if you are familiar with high level punching, you can understand much of what i say.

i just hate when i see that occasional person who doesn't know me come on here and say i know **** about boxing. one would really have to get hit by me to understand what i know. EDIT: this is not about anyone here on this thread. but i remember some dumb **** saying i should go to a bruce lee or dragon ball z forum. the kid must not know the art i train in - focuses on power and power punching. and my teacher is trained in boxing. and i've been doing it for more than just a few years.

[PunchDrunk]

cool... PD and JC, do you agree with this?

I agree with most of it.

With regards to the set/rep scheme he's proposing, I'm not so sure... If you're new to weights, you're definitely not ready for 8 sets of three's. You'll have to do some basic training to get your connective tissue prepared for heavier work (Which I believe Rob Pilger already mentioned). This means 2-3 sets of 8-12 reps, (and I'd recommend being conservative with the load) for six months or so.

Have to go to the gym, will be back later

[JayCoe]

Yeah it seems fine to me. If you don't want to gain weight, even in muscle, then it's probably best to avoid exercise which increase leg strength. I personally found doing leg presses, cycling and rowing showed much better and quicker results for my legs than lifting weights and weight machines showed for my upper body. So for me it seems leg strength increases quicker than upper body, but it could just be me. Your legs hold a good % of your body weight. Personally though, unless you're trying to stay a specific weight for a division in boxing etc, I say let go off your weight and focus on body fat %. If you strip fat and build muscle at a good level you're going to gain weight because muscle weighs more than fat. If you do box, or want to start, ignoring your legs is not a good idea. Like PunchDrunk keeps saying, muscles work together. Your legs are crucial to stability and endurance. Like PunchDrunk also said, punching requires more than your arms. A good punch requires that you drive through, off your ball of your right foot, through your hips, back, shoulders and arm. May sound reasonably easy but 'punching through' (doesn't mean lean or dive into it) without losing balance requires a good amount of skill and strength, which I admit, i'm probably not executing yet.

As for those elastic band things you said you had, they're just plain awesome. I use them to warm up, warm down and sometimes as a work out because if you tie a knot and widen your legs they can knacker you straight out. Really good for toning.

[j]

As for those elastic band things you said you had, they're just plain awesome. I use them to warm up, warm down and sometimes as a work out because if you tie a knot and widen your legs they can knacker you straight out. Really good for toning

my teacher/coach tried those elastic band things.

does not like them for punch training. says they only work the arm. good for toning the arm, but not much more than that.

[JayCoe]

Yeah, they'll increase endurance and tone, that's about it. They're of not real use to proper training.