Hey guys I have a question that is kinda asked alot on here.

[DELETED ACCOUNT 06]

No you don't!

EVERYBODY is different. I only sleep 4-6 hours a night. That is all I need.

You are T to the Z though.

[Tuggers1986]

You are T to the Z though.

Haha. True

Dean Karnazes only sleeps 4-5 hours a night and this man runs 150 - 350 miles at a time. The fitter you are, the less sleep you need.

They say an average person needs around 8 hours of sleep but it really does differ for everybody.

[tmoqsudz]

No you don't!

EVERYBODY is different. I only sleep 4-6 hours a night. That is all I need.

well i can guarantee your body isnt recovering properly you need and i mean YOU NEED 7 - 9 hours sleep anything below that relases hormones which make u eat more, and can even make u obese and anything more than that is bad 4 u also!

[jatoch]

I totally agree with Punchdrunk!

But if you think you should use nutritionsupplements, first take a good look at your current eating patron!

[SpeedKillz]

well i can guarantee your body isnt recovering properly you need and i mean YOU NEED 7 - 9 hours sleep anything below that relases hormones which make u eat more, and can even make u obese and anything more than that is bad 4 u also!

what proof do u have of this? i dont believe that for a second my trainer sleeps around on average 4-5 hours a night, and he is training people all day long and then trains himself at night. i sleep usually from like 11-1130 to 5am and thats plenty for me. some people that sleep 8 hours its too much for them. the more hours u sleep at night, the more tired u get during the day IMO. i sleep in on sundays jus wake up whenever, and if i get more than 8-9 hours, i am beath the whole day from all the rest, i jus wanna get more of it.

i say sleep is different for everyone, some people need 8-9 hours, some people can do fine with 4-6 hours. theres no real answer. its however u feel...

[Tuggers1986]

well i can guarantee your body isnt recovering properly you need and i mean YOU NEED 7 - 9 hours sleep anything below that relases hormones which make u eat more, and can even make u obese and anything more than that is bad 4 u also!

With all due respect. You're wrong!

[Salty]

With all due respect. You're wrong!

You may feel that you need only 4 hours sleep, but that doesn't mean that your body isn't suffering from it i'm sorry.

According to a 2000 study published in the British scientific journal, researchers in Australia and New Zealand reported that sleep deprivation can have some of the same hazardous effects as being drunk.[15] People who drove after being awake for 17–19 hours performed worse than those with a blood alcohol level of .05 percent, which is the legal limit for drunk driving in most western European countries (the U.S. and UK set their blood alcohol limits at .08 percent). In addition, as a result of continuous muscular activity without proper rest time, effects such as cramping are much more frequent in sleep-deprived individuals. Extreme cases of sleep deprivation have been reported to be associated with hernias, muscle fascia tears, and other such problems commonly associated with physical overexertion. Beyond impaired motor skills, people who get too little sleep may have higher levels of stress, anxiety and depression, and may take unnecessary risks. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, over 100,000 traffic accidents each year are caused by fatigue and drowsiness.[16][17] A new study has shown that while total sleep deprivation for one night caused many errors, the errors were not significant until after the second night of total sleep deprivation.[18]
The response latency seem to be higher when it comes to actions regarding personal morality rather than in situations when morality is not in question. The willingness to violate a personal belief has been shown to be moderated by EQ, so people with high EQ are affected less by sleep deprivation in such situations.

Combining a huge physical training which is what da1 seems to do with only 4-6 or so hours of sleep a night on average, will hurt him no doubt about it. The reason he may not feel tired is that his metabolism is so fast due to his level of fitness. Although sleep deprivation has been shown to have the same effects as type two diabetes and other diseases.

Getting only four hours sleep instead of eight will radically change glucose tolerance and endocrine function - changes that resemble the effects of advanced age or the early stages of diabetes - after less than one week.

In the latest issue of the British journal Lancet, researchers from the University of Chicago Medical Centre report that chronic sleep loss can reduce the capacity of even young adults to perform basic metabolic functions, such as processing and storing carbohydrates or regulating hormone secretion.

Although many studies have examined the short-term effects of acute, total sleep deprivation on the brain, this is the first to investigate the impact of chronic, partial sleep loss on the body by evaluating the metabolism and hormone secretion of people subjected to sleep restriction and after sleep recovery.

"We found that the metabolic and endocrine changes resulting from a significant sleep debt mimic many of the hallmarks of aging," said Eve Van Cauter, Professor of Medicine at the University of Chicago and director of the study. "We suspect that chronic sleep loss may not only hasten the onset but could also increase the severity of age-related ailments such as diabetes, hypertension, obesity and memory loss."

Van Cauter and colleagues Karine Spiegel and Rachel Leproult followed 11 healthy young men for 16 consecutive nights. The first three nights the subjects were allowed to sleep for eight hours, the next six nights they slept four hours, the following seven nights they spent 12 hours in bed. All subjects received identical diets.

When tested during the height of their sleep debt, subjects took 40 percent longer than normal to regulate their blood sugar levels following a high-carbohydrate meal. Their ability to secrete insulin and to respond to insulin both decreased by about 30 percent. A similar decrease in acute insulin response is an early marker of diabetes. The differences were particularly marked when tested in the mornings.

Sleep deprivation also altered the production and action of other hormones, dampening the secretion of thyroid stimulating hormone and increasing blood levels of cortisol, especially during the afternoon and evening. Elevated evening cortisol levels are typical of much older subjects and are thought to be related to age-related health problems such as insulin resistance and memory impairment.

All of these abnormalities quickly returned to baseline during the recovery period, when subjects spent 12 hours in bed.

You may feel that this is enough sleep, maybe try getting 8 hours sleep often and you might be surprised how good you feel.

[DA1CATAS]

Well I am going to try the slow realeasing proteins today.

I'm also for once gonna go on an actual diet... I mean like a boxers diet... i'll cut out the fried chicken and milkshakes and candy.. I've been able to train and keep increasing this much...Hurts to say but Maybe I've hit the ceiling with being able to do what i do with my horrible eating habits. I'm pretty sure this will help right off the back.


And the actual added training I'm doing if you were wondering:
instead of 5 miles 3 times the week..3 miles 6 days a week.TIMED.
Sprints with weighted vest on.
30-50 mins of shadowboxing with 1.5 weighted hand gloves.
Numerous footspeed drills, and working calfs.
Pull-ups with the weighted vest.
Uppercut drills with 50 pound weight *(I'm only at sets of 5-6)*

And then my basic day at the gym 5 days a week.



I am also gonna try to increase my sleep and see how that feels. *(I've been sleeping 4-6 hours a night because of work and boxing and school.. If I cut out watching boxing on tv & dvr, and sleep more maybe I'll feel different)* Its worth a try since I want results. Though i'm not sure of it.



Thanks so much for the answers I've received so far. even if you were just agreeing with someone else... It helps in decisios. If there are more answers leave them and I will definitely try those also.

Bottom line is i have to find something that works. BECAUSE I will not reduce training. no option there. THANKS again guys for answering seriously.

[PunchDrunk]

what proof do u have of this? i dont believe that for a second my trainer sleeps around on average 4-5 hours a night, and he is training people all day long and then trains himself at night. i sleep usually from like 11-1130 to 5am and thats plenty for me. some people that sleep 8 hours its too much for them. the more hours u sleep at night, the more tired u get during the day IMO. i sleep in on sundays jus wake up whenever, and if i get more than 8-9 hours, i am beath the whole day from all the rest, i jus wanna get more of it.

i say sleep is different for everyone, some people need 8-9 hours, some people can do fine with 4-6 hours. theres no real answer. its however u feel...

No one is saying MORE than 8-9 hours of sleep. There is too much sleep and too little sleep. 4-5 hours is too little sleep, more than 9 hours is too much.

Your anecdotal evidence with your trainer is useless as actual evidence. There are people who eat poorly, smoke 15 cigars a day with no exercise who live to be 100 years old, and people who lead healthy active lives with proper nutrition and exercise who die of cancer at 25. That does not mean the former get that old BECAUSE they do what they do, but IN SPITE of it.

True, everyone is different, but not that different. Keep in mind that what we're talking about here is an athlete (Da1) who is training an extreme amount with an extreme intensity. He has problems recovering, and admits to only sleeping 4-5 hours. You'd have to be an idiot to not be able to put 2 and 2 together on this one, with all due respect...

[Tuggers1986]

No one is saying MORE than 8-9 hours of sleep. There is too much sleep and too little sleep. 4-5 hours is too little sleep, more than 9 hours is too much.

Your anecdotal evidence with your trainer is useless as actual evidence. There are people who eat poorly, smoke 15 cigars a day with no exercise who live to be 100 years old, and people who lead healthy active lives with proper nutrition and exercise who die of cancer at 25. That does not mean the former get that old BECAUSE they do what they do, but IN SPITE of it.

True, everyone is different, but not that different. Keep in mind that what we're talking about here is an athlete (Da1) who is training an extreme amount with an extreme intensity. He has problems recovering, and admits to only sleeping 4-5 hours. You'd have to be an idiot to not be able to put 2 and 2 together on this one, with all due respect...

We're here to help Da1 out not arguing over stuff we can't prove and doesn't really relate to what he wants to know anyway.

Just let it go now.