Boxing useless in a Bar Brawl?

[triggnom]

LOOK, you dont box people in street fights, BUUUTTT the hand speed and power and quick movements, and accuracy you develop in boxing WILL ALWAYS give you an upper hand,

So basically a boxer, well trained, will maul the ordinary person if ever encountered in a fight

[Bucktown Beast]

So if average guy fights prime tyson, then tysons gonna win, but his boxing skills dont make that much of a difference?

Come on man, what kind of ridiculous example is that.

[DA1CATAS]

What da hell? Boxing Useless in a fight? If you think that to any degree Your Useless! Better yet How about USELESS post!

[fraidycat]

Knowing how to deliver, and avoid, and take, a punch has to be of considerable benefit.

Being acclimated to someone wanting to rip you apart, i.e., keeping a cool head under a flurry of blows, has to be of benefit.

Conditioning yourself to ignore pain and fatigue until it is over, has to be of benefit.

This is what, IMO, boxing gives you that you can use in a bar fight.

Maybe boxing won't give you any spectacular, fight-winning combinations (maybe it will), but the physical and mental conditioning that a competitive boxer goes through -- not Tae Bo, not "boxing fitness," I mean what you see in your own eyes in the mirror ten minutes before you step into the ring -- THAT is what boxers have, that many other martial artists don't, that will get them through a scrap better than the next guy. And people who don't study a combat sport sure as hell don't have it.

Is a bar fight boxing? No. But any full-contact martial art where you condition yourself to keep going and keep strategizing while you absorb and deliver pain, is going to help you when the **** hits the fan. Boxing is full-contact. Muay Thai is full-contact. Wrestling, Judo, and Jiu-Jitsu are full-contact.

Usually, these threads about "Boxing is useless on the street" are propagated by spoon-chested dweebs who think that some hold they learned in their Boo Long Poo class is going to get them out of trouble. "Here, grab my shirt. No, like this. . . ."

[platinummatt!]

Knowing how to deliver, and avoid, and take, a punch has to be of considerable benefit.

Being acclimated to someone wanting to rip you apart, i.e., keeping a cool head under a flurry of blows, has to be of benefit.

Conditioning yourself to ignore pain and fatigue until it is over, has to be of benefit.

This is what, IMO, boxing gives you that you can use in a bar fight.

Maybe boxing won't give you any spectacular, fight-winning combinations (maybe it will), but the physical and mental conditioning that a competitive boxer goes through -- not Tae Bo, not "boxing fitness," I mean what you see in your own eyes in the mirror ten minutes before you step into the ring -- THAT is what boxers have, that many other martial artists don't, that will get them through a scrap better than the next guy. And people who don't study a combat sport sure as hell don't have it.

Is a bar fight boxing? No. But any full-contact martial art where you condition yourself to keep going and keep strategizing while you absorb and deliver pain, is going to help you when the **** hits the fan. Boxing is full-contact. Muay Thai is full-contact. Wrestling, Judo, and Jiu-Jitsu are full-contact.

Usually, these threads about "Boxing is useless on the street" are propagated by spoon-chested dweebs who think that some hold they learned in their Boo Long Poo class is going to get them out of trouble. "Here, grab my shirt. No, like this. . . ."

MAN that was funny LOL! haha. I could hear that being said lol man...

Yeh youre right fraidy in the most very good point about conditioning. But the bit in italics? Boxings gonna be the best.




Also, yeh scrappy tyson vs average guy. Its valid, but yeh youre right..

Ok so average amateur lets say. Still going to have the upper hand.

[Bucktown Beast]

What da hell? Boxing Useless in a fight? If you think that to any degree Your Useless! Better yet How about USELESS post!

Show me where someone said boxing was useless in a streetfight Einstein.

These street fight/boxing threads are always pointless. But one more post and I'm done...FraidyCat touched on the basic points.

In early UFC Tank Abbott got in the Octagon and ****ED experienced people up with nothing but wild swinging and violent street tactics. Mayorga did the same. Vernon Forrest had some 300 + amateur fights and 20 + pro fights. But if he met Mayorga in the street, he would lose 10 times out of 10.

It all depends on the person too...if a boxer runs in to some aggressive, determined and mean ma****a who overwhelms him, then boxing skills aren't going to help him so much in the street. You may have to resort to other tactics.

I see it all the time in the gym...some ****** inexperienced dude gets in the ring and tries to decapitate experienced people over and over. And it takes time for the boxer to adjust or get some breathing room, and in a street fight time is what you don't have.

Bottom line is, that every opponent, situation and reaction is different. Knowing how to box is clearly an advantage, but theres no way to truly predict if having boxing skills would make you victorious in every street fight.

[me2007]

Usually, these threads about "Boxing is useless on the street" are propagated by spoon-chested dweebs who think that some hold they learned in their Boo Long Poo class is going to get them out of trouble. "Here, grab my shirt. No, like this. . . ."

boo long poo lol

[platinummatt!]

Of course boxing wont help in every streetfight. But its probably the best martial art for streetfighting

[me2007]

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In early UFC Tank Abbott got in the Octagon and ****ED experienced people up with nothing but wild swinging and violent street tactics. Mayorga did the same. Vernon Forrest had some 300 + amateur fights and 20 + pro fights. But if he met Mayorga in the street, he would lose 10 times out of 10.
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Tank Abbott wasn`t some guy dragged off the street. he had extensive boxing and wrestling experience ....yes his style looked ragged but i assure you there is technique in there...Mayorga is also a skilled boxer...he may not be a great mover like the viper, buit he sure as hell can punch like a mule which he learned in the gym.

[Bucktown Beast]

Of course boxing wont help in every streetfight. But its probably the best martial art for streetfighting

I would actually say jiu jitsu/wrestling type disciplines is the best. Once you get a dominant position on someone, you don't need boxing skills to know how to pummel his face with your fist.

Tank Abbott wasn`t some guy dragged off the street. he had extensive boxing and wrestling experience ....yes his style looked ragged but i assure you there is technique in there...Mayorga is also a skilled boxer...he may not be a great mover like the viper, buit he sure as hell can punch like a mule which he learned in the gym.

I'll have to disagree and assure you that early Tank Abbott showed next to zero technique. He just attacked and swung and swung. His experience was amateur at best which pertains to this thread cuz I am taking this debate in to consideration with the notion that most people here are amateurs.