How much muscle can be put on in 4 1/2 months?

[RyanSpaulding]

So is it detrimental to do cardio with this sort of mass building workout?

[leff]

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1268956


found an articel on the theme

[KingDosia]

So is it detrimental to do cardio with this sort of mass building workout?

No it's recomended. Youi need it to use the fat inbetween and around the muscle fibers. Anaerobic exersize doesnt use fat as an energy source very well. If you want to have lean muscle "ripped" you need the cardio, aerobics

[RyanSpaulding]

Jesus tho. I mean, so I likely need about 3027 cals for optimum clean bulking according to the article. I wasn't oing to do junk food but there are so little calories in thing like steak, chicken, and fish. How the hell do you get 3000 cals of healthy stuff? That'll have to be one MEAN appetite IMO...or eat normal with 2 protein shakes a day.

Thanks for the article.

[boxinginct]

No it's recomended. Youi need it to use the fat inbetween and around the muscle fibers. Anaerobic exersize doesnt use fat as an energy source very well. If you want to have lean muscle "ripped" you need the cardio, aerobics

Wrong! You burn calories after the workout. Anaerobic exercise will increase metabolic rate, which means you burn calories throughout the day. This doesn't happen with aerobics.

This is a good article with many references

THE OPTIMAL PROTOCOL FOR FAT LOSS?
http://www.angelfire.com/pe/txpls/articles/HIIT.html

"Research by Hickson et al (11) further supports the notion that the predominant fuel substrate used during exercise does not play a role in fat loss."

Also:

Overall, the evidence suggests that HIIT is the most efficient method for achieving fat loss.

[Big Papi]

#1 thing that determines the amount of muscle one can gain in any duration of time is genetics. if you want to know how much muscle you can put on in 4 months, ask your father how much he could put on at your age for a duration of 4 months. good luck on your upcoming obstacles.

[RyanSpaulding]

So maybe I'll go with HIIT pyramiding on M-T-T-F with 10-15 minutes aerobic excercise (or boxing/sparring) after each workout and some hard HIIT cardio on one weekend day...and take in lots of protein for clean bulk.

Sound good?

1st, I wanna cut 6-8lbs this month so I look better as I'm gaining mass. The gf will like it much more.

[KingDosia]

Jesus tho. I mean, so I likely need about 3027 cals for optimum clean bulking according to the article. I wasn't oing to do junk food but there are so little calories in thing like steak, chicken, and fish. How the hell do you get 3000 cals of healthy stuff? That'll have to be one MEAN appetite IMO...or eat normal with 2 protein shakes a day.

Thanks for the article.

I did forget the part where you have to eat like a machine. lol. Thats why weight gainers are so popular. Its hard to get all of the protiene you need to. Hence the use of the protiene suplements. The work is actually the easy part it's the diet that is complicated.

[KingDosia]

So maybe I'll go with HIIT pyramiding on M-T-T-F with 10-15 minutes aerobic excercise (or boxing/sparring) after each workout and some hard HIIT cardio on one weekend day...and take in lots of protein for clean bulk.

Sound good?

1st, I wanna cut 6-8lbs this month so I look better as I'm gaining mass. The gf will like it much more.

I wouildn't want to lift weights on boxing days. The same goes for heavy or intense cardio. I would do cadio maybe on the day you use for your leg routine working out those large muscles would max the fat consuption. and On wed if you are on the m, t - th, fr. Thing. Sat would be a good day to just get a good long run in unless that could be used as a boxing day to taking sunday completely off. If you are doing heavy lifting and wanting results rest is almost as important as working out both follow proper diet.
Its not an easy task by anymeans and takes a certain level of knowledge of the body and its chemistry. Do some research and talk to a few other bodybuilders if you can. Use as many resources as youi can to put together an individualized program.

[leff]

Jesus tho. I mean, so I likely need about 3027 cals for optimum clean bulking according to the article. I wasn't oing to do junk food but there are so little calories in thing like steak, chicken, and fish. How the hell do you get 3000 cals of healthy stuff? That'll have to be one MEAN appetite IMO...or eat normal with 2 protein shakes a day.

Thanks for the article.

eating is also a matter off trining in a way youl get used to it also, adding a tablespoon off oliveoil will help also as stated earlier in the thread gainers will help