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  • BIGPOPPAPUMP
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    Beyond the “Golden” Finale

    So persuasive is the influence of Oscar De La Hoya that his sheer will can tempt Felix Trinidad back from his shameful exile, and have pound-for-pound champion Floyd Mayweather, Jr. adjusting his career choices to suit its needs. Driven by unyielding vanity, money has long been immaterial to De La Hoya, who is seeking an aesthetically pleasing end to his illustrious career.

    Fighting Trinidad may satisfy a curiosity of sorts, but it would serve mainly to affirm De La Hoya’s superiority, and that is scarcely doubted in most sectors of the industry. Mayweather is the final challenge befitting of De La Hoya’s indelible impact.

    De La Hoya is toying with the notion of Trinidad, and casting aspersions on the legitimacy of Mayweather as a pay-per-view attraction with a purpose. With contracts yet to be signed for the super-fight, and Carlos Baldomir not yet dispatched by Mayweather, De La Hoya is sowing the seeds that negotiations will not be affected by Mayweather’s becoming, as expected, the welterweight champion; he should not expect to gather a greater purse than his already excessive end of the projected payout.

    Though De La Hoya wants to challenge Mayweather’s pound-for-pound credentials, the real currency is held by De La Hoya and coveted with great avarice by Mayweather. By alluding to Trinidad, De La Hoya appears to temper his own eagerness, and retains control of the terms for the richest fight in history.

    If their respective plans are realized, De La Hoya and Mayweather will combine to draw more numbers to a Las Vegas gate and persuade more viewers into parting their pockets for a pay-per-view than is likely to be seen for many years.
    And it is a competitive fight.

    Despite strategic miscalculations leading to certain defeats, De La Hoya’s fighting heart is unquestionable. But De La Hoya’s vanity must not stretch to the belief that he can make his final bow out-boxing the undoubted master of the modern game. The aggression with which De La Hoya annihilated Ricardo Mayorga must be used to unsettle Mayweather, who has chosen to decline such uncomfortable challenges of late. [details]
  • monkeyboy
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    Good article. Anorak and I almost started discussing the factor of popularity in Mayweather and De La Hoya's respective legacy but got sidetracked.
    It is De La Hoya's guts and heart that have elevated him to his illustrious position. The boxing viewers of the world forgive him his few losses because of this. Mayweather's talent, prodigious as it is can not win him the adulation of the world.

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      I think De La Hoya kind of has all to gain if they fought. Oscar would look great if he defeated Floyd. If Floyd beat Oscar all these damn Floyd haters would start saying Oscar is washed up, he beat up on somebody older than him, and all other bullcrap.

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        Originally posted by monkeyboy
        Good article. Anorak and I almost started discussing the factor of popularity in Mayweather and De La Hoya's respective legacy but got sidetracked.
        It is De La Hoya's guts and heart that have elevated him to his illustrious position. The boxing viewers of the world forgive him his few losses because of this. Mayweather's talent, prodigious as it is can not win him the adulation of the world.
        I disagree it has nothing to do with Oscars guts and heart. The reason Oscar is so popular and is a star is because of 2 things.
        His story and his Olympic success and coverage

        He was in the olympics and had a story so good that the coverage on him was insane. So that laid the foundation for him to become a crossover star and pull people who may not care for boxing to care for him.

        He pulled it off with flying colors they showed all his matches all the way up to the big gold medal fight and he won them all and in dramatic cinema like style, became this overnight hero and huge media story and it just carried over from there.

        This is the true absolute reason Oscar is a big star. They carried his story over from the olympics into the pro ranks. He was making more money in his 4th pro fight than most were making in championship fights. The same thing is happening in the UK with Amir Khan. It's all about your story and your media coverage and if you have the talent to be succesful in what they are covering you on.

        Mayweather had a story but he didnt win gold and he didn't get the coverage. If he would have, he might have been in the same boat as Oscar.

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          Originally posted by TheBlackWallStreet
          I disagree it has nothing to do with Oscars guts and heart. The reason Oscar is so popular and is a star is because of 2 things.
          His story and his Olympic success and coverage

          He was in the olympics and had a story so good that the coverage on him was insane. So that laid the foundation for him to become a crossover star and pull people who may not care for boxing to care for him.

          He pulled it off with flying colors they showed all his matches all the way up to the big gold medal fight and he won them all and in dramatic cinema like style, became this overnight hero and huge media story and it just carried over from there.

          This is the true absolute reason Oscar is a big star. They carried his story over from the olympics into the pro ranks. He was making more money in his 4th pro fight than most were making in championship fights. The same thing is happening in the UK with Amir Khan. It's all about your story and your media coverage and if you have the talent to be succesful in what they are covering you on.

          Mayweather had a story but he didnt win gold and he didn't get the coverage. If he would have, he might have been in the same boat as Oscar.
          And people will always forgive De La Hoya. Once people love a fighter, they will love the guy unless a spectacular change of fortunes befalls them.

          Look at Diego Corrales. That guy could come in 20 pounds overweight for every fight, stink of piss and tell everybody that he he's now an alcoholic addicted to chicken wings and there are people out there that would find a way to dissemble that and make excuses for him.

          And I will never forget the way that people clamored around Tyson when he came back. Whether Mike ****d Desiree Washington we'll never know; the point is that people were so willing to forgive whatever bad he had done just because they wanted to be entertained by him.

          Sad.

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            Originally posted by Castillofan
            And people will always forgive De La Hoya. Once people love a fighter, they will love the guy unless a spectacular change of fortunes befalls them.

            Look at Diego Corrales. That guy could come in 20 pounds overweight for every fight, stink of piss and tell everybody that he he's now an alcoholic addicted to chicken wings and there are people out there that would find a way to dissemble that and make excuses for him.

            And I will never forget the way that people clamored around Tyson when he came back. Whether Mike ****d Desiree Washington we'll never know; the point is that people were so willing to forgive whatever bad he had done just because they wanted to be entertained by him.

            Sad.
            Very sad but that's the world we live in.

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              Originally posted by TheBlackWallStreet
              I disagree it has nothing to do with Oscars guts and heart. The reason Oscar is so popular and is a star is because of 2 things.
              His story and his Olympic success and coverage

              He was in the olympics and had a story so good that the coverage on him was insane. So that laid the foundation for him to become a crossover star and pull people who may not care for boxing to care for him.

              He pulled it off with flying colors they showed all his matches all the way up to the big gold medal fight and he won them all and in dramatic cinema like style, became this overnight hero and huge media story and it just carried over from there.

              This is the true absolute reason Oscar is a big star. They carried his story over from the olympics into the pro ranks. He was making more money in his 4th pro fight than most were making in championship fights. The same thing is happening in the UK with Amir Khan. It's all about your story and your media coverage and if you have the talent to be succesful in what they are covering you on.

              Mayweather had a story but he didnt win gold and he didn't get the coverage. If he would have, he might have been in the same boat as Oscar.
              I get your point and it is valid however I suspect that the depth of love for the biggest name fighters only comes after either
              A) Spectacular knockout winning streaks. (ie Foreman, Ali, Judah, etc)
              B) Ground out battles in the trenches. (Gatti, Ali again, etc.)

              I believe that to keep that following you have to demonstrate either that heart or spectacular ability to drop people. Bear in mind I'm not referring to the ability but that you demonstrate it on a regular basis. A few fighters showed both those traits and those are the ones that linger in the minds of fans and non-fans alike.

              This is why the Leonard-Duran-Hagler-Hearns period is so revered. Because you had 4 GREAT fighters knocking down most challengers then going DEEP into the trenches with each other.

              Maybe fans love Mayweather's skills but the casual viewer is far more interested in one punch knockdowns or seeing blood, sweat and tears. Mayweather may or may not deliver the second. I believe that is what it will take for him to truly enter the public consciousness.

              He's not a spectacular, big puncher however the day he gets put down a few times, gets up and finishes, win or lose, he might just find that adulation he craves. I just don't know if he'll ever be in that fight though.

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                Originally posted by monkeyboy
                I get your point and it is valid however I suspect that the depth of love for the biggest name fighters only comes after either
                A) Spectacular knockout winning streaks. (ie Foreman, Ali, Judah, etc)
                B) Ground out battles in the trenches. (Gatti, Ali again, etc.)

                I believe that to keep that following you have to demonstrate either that heart or spectacular ability to drop people. Bear in mind I'm not referring to the ability but that you demonstrate it on a regular basis. A few fighters showed both those traits and those are the ones that linger in the minds of fans and non-fans alike.

                This is why the Leonard-Duran-Hagler-Hearns period is so revered. Because you had 4 GREAT fighters knocking down most challengers then going DEEP into the trenches with each other.

                Maybe fans love Mayweather's skills but the casual viewer is far more interested in one punch knockdowns or seeing blood, sweat and tears. Mayweather may or may not deliver the second. I believe that is what it will take for him to truly enter the public consciousness.

                He's not a spectacular, big puncher however the day he gets put down a few times, gets up and finishes, win or lose, he might just find that adulation he craves. I just don't know if he'll ever be in that fight though.
                Yes, and the way he makes "business decisions" that keep him away from those gut check types of fights, the further away he gets from a defining moment, or moments that make us say, "Jesus, remember when Floyd showed some real balls and got his ass up to knock the **** out of somebody?"

                Hasn't happened yet, and the way things are going, it looks like Mayweather doesn't want it to.

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                  Originally posted by TheBlackWallStreet
                  I disagree it has nothing to do with Oscars guts and heart. The reason Oscar is so popular and is a star is because of 2 things.
                  His story and his Olympic success and coverage

                  He was in the olympics and had a story so good that the coverage on him was insane. So that laid the foundation for him to become a crossover star and pull people who may not care for boxing to care for him.

                  He pulled it off with flying colors they showed all his matches all the way up to the big gold medal fight and he won them all and in dramatic cinema like style, became this overnight hero and huge media story and it just carried over from there.

                  This is the true absolute reason Oscar is a big star. They carried his story over from the olympics into the pro ranks. He was making more money in his 4th pro fight than most were making in championship fights. The same thing is happening in the UK with Amir Khan. It's all about your story and your media coverage and if you have the talent to be succesful in what they are covering you on.

                  Mayweather had a story but he didnt win gold and he didn't get the coverage. If he would have, he might have been in the same boat as Oscar.

                  Right on. I became an Oscar fan then and still love him now. We bought what they sold us, and that's especially true of people who were teenagers then and are now in a position to put up $50 for a fight. Today Floyd is being pushed in the media, though. He has been on Cold Pizza and Quite Frankly, and that scores big with teenagers and kids even younger. Whether that campaign will be successful is another story, but he is the one fighter receiving any kind of push in the popular sports media.

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                    Originally posted by kayjay
                    Right on. I became an Oscar fan then and still love him now. We bought what they sold us, and that's especially true of people who were teenagers then and are now in a position to put up $50 for a fight. Today Floyd is being pushed in the media, though. He has been on Cold Pizza and Quite Frankly, and that scores big with teenagers and kids even younger. Whether that campaign will be successful is another story, but he is the one fighter receiving any kind of push in the popular sports media.
                    Because they figure that he's going to take over from De La Hoya if, or when, as they think, theat they fight and he beats him. If Mayweather was going to become a superstar in the mold of De La Hoya, it should have happened around the Corrales fight. That was the real performance for Mayweather and about the only time he has not been favored to come out on top.

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