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  • Thuglife Nelo
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    To GGG’s credit, he helped CANELO change his style and confidence. Let’s be real

    The second fight is still the most upper echelon of chess playing from hard punchers and elite defense in the last 5 years.

    I think the second fight was very very close, could’ve gone either way, but because boxing has always had the narrative of “daring” then Canelo’s style and technique is what fans wanted to see in the 2nd fight, and Canelo delivered. Canelo took some mean shots in that fight because he risked it. GGG is the other hand, though a better performance since the first fight, didn’t do anything to really give the fans what he painted to be “I want real Mexican fight, real war..” blah blah

    That’s just the way it is. You can’t give GGG benefit of the doubt for his strategy to be different than his other fights but then not recognize Canelo whom performed differently TWICE in both fights. Canelo is held to a higher standard. Lol. AJ was allowed to move freely with Ruiz Jr., but Canelo wasn’t able to move like SRL vs Hagler? If Canelo didn’t deliver good compubox in the first fight, then it would be something else.

    Ever since Canelo beat GGG in the second fight his new style seems to dare bigger guys and bigger punchers. It’s a good phenomenon to see, NO, it’s what greats of The past did as well. LaLonde was at a catchweight and he wasn’t a big threat like Kovalev, though both Kova and LaLonde imo both evened out. Remember LaLonde had to come to 168, like Dawson for Ward.

    Canelo vs GGG 2 is proof how great a fighter Canelo is.
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    #2
    Originally posted by Young Bidness
    The second fight is still the most upper echelon of chess playing from hard punchers and elite defense in the last 5 years.

    I think the second fight was very very close, could’ve gone either way, but because boxing has always had the narrative of “daring” then Canelo’s style and technique is what fans wanted to see in the 2nd fight, and Canelo delivered. Canelo took some mean shots in that fight because he risked it. GGG is the other hand, though a better performance since the first fight, didn’t do anything to really give the fans what he painted to be “I want real Mexican fight, real war..” blah blah

    That’s just the way it is. You can’t give GGG benefit of the doubt for his strategy to be different than his other fights but then not recognize Canelo whom performed differently TWICE in both fights. Canelo is held to a higher standard. Lol. AJ was allowed to move freely with Ruiz Jr., but Canelo wasn’t able to move like SRL vs Hagler? If Canelo didn’t deliver good compubox in the first fight, then it would be something else.

    Ever since Canelo beat GGG in the second fight his new style seems to dare bigger guys and bigger punchers. It’s a good phenomenon to see, NO, it’s what greats of The past did as well. LaLonde was at a catchweight and he wasn’t a big threat like Kovalev, though both Kova and LaLonde imo both evened out. Remember LaLonde had to come to 168, like Dawson for Ward.

    Canelo vs GGG 2 is proof how great a fighter Canelo is.
    Canelo fought a dumb fight the first time. That's why IMO he lost by four rounds. My neighbour was putting up a fence. He used a chain saw to in his words "just trim off one of the posts". Anyway it kicked back, split the peak of his cap and cut his forehead. He was lucky to escape with only a minor cut. However I didn't rush out two days later when I saw him using it the way it's supposed to be used and then praise the hell out of him.

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    • Lomadeaux
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      #3
      Originally posted by Young Bidness
      The second fight is still the most upper echelon of chess playing from hard punchers and elite defense in the last 5 years.

      I think the second fight was very very close, could’ve gone either way, but because boxing has always had the narrative of “daring” then Canelo’s style and technique is what fans wanted to see in the 2nd fight, and Canelo delivered. Canelo took some mean shots in that fight because he risked it. GGG is the other hand, though a better performance since the first fight, didn’t do anything to really give the fans what he painted to be “I want real Mexican fight, real war..” blah blah

      That’s just the way it is. You can’t give GGG benefit of the doubt for his strategy to be different than his other fights but then not recognize Canelo whom performed differently TWICE in both fights. Canelo is held to a higher standard. Lol. AJ was allowed to move freely with Ruiz Jr., but Canelo wasn’t able to move like SRL vs Hagler? If Canelo didn’t deliver good compubox in the first fight, then it would be something else.

      Ever since Canelo beat GGG in the second fight his new style seems to dare bigger guys and bigger punchers. It’s a good phenomenon to see, NO, it’s what greats of The past did as well. LaLonde was at a catchweight and he wasn’t a big threat like Kovalev, though both Kova and LaLonde imo both evened out. Remember LaLonde had to come to 168, like Dawson for Ward.

      Canelo vs GGG 2 is proof how great a fighter Canelo is.
      This is actually a pretty good post. I think almost all boxing head knew Canelo was going to lose the first fight. And it pretty much went exactly like everyone thought it would.

      The second fight was very impressive how he changed his game plan. I, like almost all of the boxing world believe GGG won that fight too, but in a time where fighters completely change when they take loses (mental and culture), he doesn't fall into that mental trap. It was a good fight.

      I don't see how he loses the third fight to be honest.

      But that also goes to show you what a tragedy the first fights scoring was. You can't take those things from a man.

      I wonder if Canelo leaves middleweight completely after the GGG fight.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Young Bidness
        The second fight is still the most upper echelon of chess playing from hard punchers and elite defense in the last 5 years.

        I think the second fight was very very close, could’ve gone either way, but because boxing has always had the narrative of “daring” then Canelo’s style and technique is what fans wanted to see in the 2nd fight, and Canelo delivered. Canelo took some mean shots in that fight because he risked it. GGG is the other hand, though a better performance since the first fight, didn’t do anything to really give the fans what he painted to be “I want real Mexican fight, real war..” blah blah

        That’s just the way it is. You can’t give GGG benefit of the doubt for his strategy to be different than his other fights but then not recognize Canelo whom performed differently TWICE in both fights. Canelo is held to a higher standard. Lol. AJ was allowed to move freely with Ruiz Jr., but Canelo wasn’t able to move like SRL vs Hagler? If Canelo didn’t deliver good compubox in the first fight, then it would be something else.

        Ever since Canelo beat GGG in the second fight his new style seems to dare bigger guys and bigger punchers. It’s a good phenomenon to see, NO, it’s what greats of The past did as well. LaLonde was at a catchweight and he wasn’t a big threat like Kovalev, though both Kova and LaLonde imo both evened out. Remember LaLonde had to come to 168, like Dawson for Ward.

        Canelo vs GGG 2 is proof how great a fighter Canelo is.

        It was a great performance from two really high level guys, and yeah, although he boxed effectively - textbook rearfoot in fact - GGGs safety first approach didn't really help his chances. Funny thing is people don't seem to get that GGGs style has never really been about taking the chances... he's always been a technician that prefers to play the odds and accrue advantages rather than take a chance and go for the kill which is sometimes what's needed against a similar level opponent - specially one that might be able to count on the favour of the judges.


        And absolutely, I think Canelo's grown into an exceptional fighter... certainly amongst the very best in the sport, and that the wealth of experience in top level fights against many different styles has honed him to be virtually as complete as he can be at 29 years old and possibly at his absolute peak.

        And I don't know about just post Golovkin - I don't think Canelo can ever have been held to have been cautious with his matchmaking - I can and will argue that many of his fights are against top guys past their best, names with less substance than they appear on his record - but I certainly ain't gonna fault him for that cos they still represented some of the best fights around, and no fighter can really be faulted for timing. Simple fact of life that many fighters don't really hit their full status and drawing power until later in their careers.

        And, although I disagree with whole 'Vegas' setup of having a few superstars who dictate exactly who they fight and when, whilst the rest of the boxing world don't fight each other in case they miss the call, that is the way it is. Canelo could fulfill his contract and retire insanely wealthy without ever taking on another real quality fight, but in Jacobs and Kovalev he showed a willingness to still fight potentially risky opponents.
        Last edited by Citizen Koba; 03-29-2020, 07:55 AM.

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          GGG was a bully to fighters not one his level . Canelo brought the real Mexican Style and GGG wanted no part of it . That’s why he sacked his trainer ran out the ring crying cause he was selling people on his Drama show !! Canelo wipes the floor with him in the 3 rd match

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          • Thuglife Nelo
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            #6
            Floyd and GGG created the Ultimate Warrior!

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              #7
              Originally posted by Young Bidness
              The second fight is still the most upper echelon of chess playing from hard punchers and elite defense in the last 5 years.

              I think the second fight was very very close, could’ve gone either way, but because boxing has always had the narrative of “daring” then Canelo’s style and technique is what fans wanted to see in the 2nd fight, and Canelo delivered. Canelo took some mean shots in that fight because he risked it. GGG is the other hand, though a better performance since the first fight, didn’t do anything to really give the fans what he painted to be “I want real Mexican fight, real war..” blah blah

              That’s just the way it is. You can’t give GGG benefit of the doubt for his strategy to be different than his other fights but then not recognize Canelo whom performed differently TWICE in both fights. Canelo is held to a higher standard. Lol. AJ was allowed to move freely with Ruiz Jr., but Canelo wasn’t able to move like SRL vs Hagler? If Canelo didn’t deliver good compubox in the first fight, then it would be something else.

              Ever since Canelo beat GGG in the second fight his new style seems to dare bigger guys and bigger punchers. It’s a good phenomenon to see, NO, it’s what greats of The past did as well. LaLonde was at a catchweight and he wasn’t a big threat like Kovalev, though both Kova and LaLonde imo both evened out. Remember LaLonde had to come to 168, like Dawson for Ward.

              Canelo vs GGG 2 is proof how great a fighter Canelo is.

              So what your saying is GGG is to Canelo what Floyd was to Canelo
              All I know , is that imo Canelo beat him very convincingly in the 2nd fight and I don’t think anything will change besides the result being more lopsided for Canelo in this 3rd instalment

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              • Thuglife Nelo
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                #8
                Originally posted by MulaKO
                So what your saying is GGG is to Canelo what Floyd was to Canelo
                All I know , is that imo Canelo beat him very convincingly in the 2nd fight and I don’t think anything will change besides the result being more lopsided for Canelo in this 3rd instalment
                Tbh, lately I actually forget there’s a third fight. Not nor has it been on my radar. It’s probably because I’ve been interested in the BJS fight so Canelo has a legit 168 strap. Also, with this halt on boxing, it will test all elite fighters in industry for their comeback. The ones really unaffected are the below 25 guys imo.

                I prefer Canelo not even fight GGG in the third fight. He should be using that time and fight for Callum Smith. But it’s what DAZN has been craving and with an industry halt, and more than sure DAZN is giving Caneo a bonus and perhaps GGG too, both guys just want to get this fight out of the way. You want my real opinion, it’s a dangerous fight for GGG now. Canelo is prime and bigger and has adapted a new style.

                I think Canelo will be going out with bad intentions if GGG tries to be super aggressive this time. Canelo will probably set traps in this fight to towards the body.

                I really want is Canelo vs Beterbiev. Do or die. That would elevate Canelo to the highest standard imaginable with the current P4P let alone perhaps for a while

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                • MulaKO
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Young Bidness
                  Tbh, lately I actually forget there’s a third fight. Not nor has it been on my radar. It’s probably because I’ve been interested in the BJS fight so Canelo has a legit 168 strap. Also, with this halt on boxing, it will test all elite fighters in industry for their comeback. The ones really unaffected are the below 25 guys imo.

                  I prefer Canelo not even fight GGG in the third fight. He should be using that time and fight for Callum Smith. But it’s what DAZN has been craving and with an industry halt, and more than sure DAZN is giving Caneo a bonus and perhaps GGG too, both guys just want to get this fight out of the way. You want my real opinion, it’s a dangerous fight for GGG now. Canelo is prime and bigger and has adapted a new style.

                  I think Canelo will be going out with bad intentions if GGG tries to be super aggressive this time. Canelo will probably set traps in this fight to towards the body.

                  I really want is Canelo vs Beterbiev. Do or die. That would elevate Canelo to the highest standard imaginable with the current P4P let alone perhaps for a while
                  I can’t stand Blow Job Saunders and wish he would not benefit from the Canelo sweepstakes
                  That’s the only reason I would have the GGG fight
                  I think your right that Canelo will totally destroy him this time around
                  GGG hasn’t looked good in his last few fights and maybe Father Time has caught up to him
                  I don’t want to see Canelo entertaining the idea of him going against Beterbiev
                  I know Beterbiev will hurt him
                  It’ll probably be like the Gvozdyk fight but worse
                  Canelo is not a light heavyweight and it would be pushing boundaries
                  Clear out the 168 and maybe then that could be his excuse to go up

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                    The 2nd fight was so impressive from Canelo because before then, everyone said it was suicide if anybody stood and traded with GGG. Especially when ppl were claiming Canelo would be weak without his “roids.” And he went in there and walked GGG down for 12 rounds. Insane really.

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