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  • pittapatta66
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    Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post
    Yes Anthony Joshua clearly has a deeper body of work, but Tyson Fury the two best wins etc But then the manner in which Joshua beat Kiltschko was more conclusive, which was why Kiltschko did not want to take a rematch 'He had left it all in the ring, and was content'.

    Pulev is a good fighter, has only been beaten by Kiltschko 'As a champion there is nothing really more you can ask of Joshua, but to fight the other belt holders' I kind of want Fury to keep winning, because I don't think at this stage of his career? He has the resolve to overcome a defeat 'He has already climbed his Everest in dethroning Wladimir Kilstchko' nothing is ever going to top that for him personally.

    In some ways Tyson Fury is content.
    true about ajs wlad win being more conclusive, no excuses to make about wlad being gunshy or having an off night.

    i also think if fury loses he'll retire - hes already been at the top twice now and i reckon hed pack it in

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  • PRINCEKOOL
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    Originally posted by pittapatta66 View Post
    yep same, pretty neutral i respect talent and effort.

    fury has the 2 single best wins at hw in klitschko and wilder (though you COULD argue ajs klit win is superior to wilder but fury dominated).

    other than those two wins fury has though, aj has been on a tear and as you said, he is clearing out the division. aj probably has the 3rd to 10th best wins at hw with all the names he is taking, im genuinely impressed.

    pulev is actually a good fighter and pretty sure he only has 1 loss to klit
    Yes Anthony Joshua clearly has a deeper body of work, but Tyson Fury the two best wins etc But then the manner in which Joshua beat Kiltschko was more conclusive, which was why Kiltschko did not want to take a rematch 'He had left it all in the ring, and was content'.

    Pulev is a good fighter, has only been beaten by Kiltschko 'As a champion there is nothing really more you can ask of Joshua, but to fight the other belt holders' I kind of want Fury to keep winning, because I don't think at this stage of his career? He has the resolve to overcome a defeat 'He has already climbed his Everest in dethroning Wladimir Kilstchko' nothing is ever going to top that for him personally.

    In some ways Tyson Fury is content.

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  • BangEM
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    The real question is: why is Fury always fighting bums in between decent fights?

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  • pittapatta66
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    Originally posted by denium View Post
    AJ ran around like a little girl in the rematch, a pathetic performance. Look how Fury & Wilder handle rematches, they destroy their opponents, they don't dance around, wide eyed and scared like Joshua did.

    Not to mention that Ruiz was even fatter than he was in the first fight and AJ still wanted nothing to do with him.
    scared or not he dominated ruiz. im not going to claim aj is an unstoppable wrecking machine because he can be beat - but if he fights 'scared' he beats every opponent not named fury or wilder imo

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  • denium
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    Originally posted by pittapatta66 View Post
    and i have to respectfully disagree. being a champion and defending belts, there will ALWAYS be ad stylistic fights, off nights and circumstances such as the ruiz fight being extremely short notice.

    aj proved who the better man is in the rematch as i predicted. make aj fight ruiz 100 more times and aj will win all 100 of those matches, he adjusted for the rematch and neutralised ruiz.

    (not to mention, although it was a vacant title ruiz fought against parker and arguably won).

    just because you arent the single best hw in the division it doesnt make you a bum. povetkin, whyte, pulev, ortiz, parker heck even hughie fury will all present probblems to other top hws. there are more fighters I left off but you get the point.
    AJ ran around like a little girl in the rematch, a pathetic performance. Look how Fury & Wilder handle rematches, they destroy their opponents, they don't dance around, wide eyed and scared like Joshua did.

    Not to mention that Ruiz was even fatter than he was in the first fight and AJ still wanted nothing to do with him.

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  • pittapatta66
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    Originally posted by denium View Post
    I think deathofaclown summed up AJ's resume pretty well.
    and i have to respectfully disagree. being a champion and defending belts, there will ALWAYS be ad stylistic fights, off nights and circumstances such as the ruiz fight being extremely short notice.

    aj proved who the better man is in the rematch as i predicted. make aj fight ruiz 100 more times and aj will win all 100 of those matches, he adjusted for the rematch and neutralised ruiz.

    (not to mention, although it was a vacant title ruiz fought against parker and arguably won).

    just because you arent the single best hw in the division it doesnt make you a bum. povetkin, whyte, pulev, ortiz, parker heck even hughie fury will all present probblems to other top hws. there are more fighters I left off but you get the point.

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  • pittapatta66
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    Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post
    Anthony Joshua is the only heavyweight who is attempting to clear out the division 'His resume displays that' Fury probably has the better wins, and should be number 1 'But I don't think he wants to clear the division out, he does not want to chase that type of greatness'.

    I am neutral on both fighters, so I am not really in anyone's corner etc
    yep same, pretty neutral i respect talent and effort.

    fury has the 2 single best wins at hw in klitschko and wilder (though you COULD argue ajs klit win is superior to wilder but fury dominated).

    other than those two wins fury has though, aj has been on a tear and as you said, he is clearing out the division. aj probably has the 3rd to 10th best wins at hw with all the names he is taking, im genuinely impressed.

    pulev is actually a good fighter and pretty sure he only has 1 loss to klit

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  • denium
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    Originally posted by pittapatta66 View Post
    nah man its pretty darn good, its not like hes fighting a dominic wade every second fight he is knocking out champions and worthy contenders who are world level fight after fight.

    yes, he hasnt fought the other two best hws in fury/wilder but im sure they will happen, and hopefully by this year or next and not much later.
    I think deathofaclown summed up AJ's resume pretty well.

    Originally posted by deathofaclown View Post
    The truth is top 3 heavyweights donít get beaten around the ring, round after round off a fringe contender like Ruiz. Getting wiped out with a shot like Lewis did, fair enough it could happen to anyone, but getting smashed round after round by someone like Ruiz is not really top 3 material.

    Once AJ getís relieved of those belts again, he should probably be ranked just above guys like Breazeale. Past wins over 40 year old Povetkin types shouldnít allow you float around the top of the rankings.

    Itís hard to even pinpoint an impressive AJ win yet. Is his win over Parker much good? He had to get the ref to help him beat a guy that arguably lost to Hughie Fury. Wlad was a Fury leftover. Povetkin is old and went life and death with a cruiserweight not long ago and hasnít looked good in 5 years since he was juicing.

    AJís resume starts looking weaker and weaker when you really talk reality. Especially in contrast to Fury ending reigns of long standing champs and guys considered at the top of the division.

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  • pittapatta66
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    Originally posted by denium View Post
    Joshua's win over Klitschko doesn't compare to Fury's.

    Klitschko had barely lost a round in 12 years before fighting Fury, he was also active and fighting in his backyard, Fury shut him out.

    AJ faced a Klitschko who had been out of the ring for 2 years, in the UK, and went absolute life and death with him, and was a few seconds away from getting KTFO.

    AJ's resume is overrated.
    nah man its pretty darn good, its not like hes fighting a dominic wade every second fight he is knocking out champions and worthy contenders who are world level fight after fight.

    yes, he hasnt fought the other two best hws in fury/wilder but im sure they will happen, and hopefully by this year or next and not much later.

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  • PRINCEKOOL
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    Originally posted by pittapatta66 View Post
    they didnt sign the pulev fight until a week or so after fury/wilder 2.

    i suspect that any good promoter would do that, because if they saw any vulnerabilities that they could capitalise on theyd sign the fury/wilder winner asap. fury looked hot-chit in that fight and is best to be avoided for a bit longer (which is the conclusion ajs team/promoter would have came to).

    aj has done a great job at fighting high-ranked opposition his entire career and barring furys win over klitschko and wilder aj has an insane and possibly best resume at hw (except for fury perhaps). he basically matches furys win with his own over klitschko and although he didnt overthrow wilder he has a whos who of names on his record.

    so looking forward to aj/fury and wilder/aj. those two fights need to happen before they retire, hopefully wilder avoids the trilogy for now and builds himself back up.
    Anthony Joshua is the only heavyweight who is attempting to clear out the division 'His resume displays that' Fury probably has the better wins, and should be number 1 'But I don't think he wants to clear the division out, he does not want to chase that type of greatness'.

    I am neutral on both fighters, so I am not really in anyone's corner etc

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