Who should be P4P best Pac or Floyd?

[Easy-E]

Yea look at his opposition. He dominated Trinidad, beat Shane twice, and regardless of what people say he beat Taylor. Those three alone are already tougher than anyone Floys has fought. **** Shane and Trinidad will be in the Hall of Fame. Like I said i am a Vargas fan but he arguably could have won that fight and that is when Vargas was in his prime. Your gonna tell me that Castillo, Corrales,and Chavez compare to Trinidad or Shane. Castillo and Corrales are good fighters but they are not great. As much as I hate to give Trinidad that much credit because I can't stand him but I have to be honest and be objective about him. The difference is that Winky consitantly fights elite competition. Your talking about fights Floyd had years ago. Sooner are later people are gonna have to stop living in the past and talk about the present and what he has done lately.

First off, no he did not.
Secondly, Trinidad had retired, and come back with one pretty good preformance against Mayorga. Winky decisioned him at middleweight, while his original weight was 147.
Mosley, coming off two decision losses against Forrest and a bull**** win against Oscar, was fighting at 154, while in his prime he was fighitng at 135.
Taylor Wright was a good preformace that ended, probably rightly so, in a draw.
These wins are not nearly as impressive as victories over Castillo twice, and undefeated Corrales, Jesus Chavez (who had one SD loss in his fifth fight) and Genaro Hernandez (only loss to DLH)

[Cletus Funk]

Floyd had a better case for the p4p 1 spot 3 1/2 years ago than he does now. It's Pac or Winky for me, they're both equally deserving.

Pac had his own issues in the 1st Morales fight with the cut and gloves. His wins over MAB and EM >>> anything on Floyd's resume, especially given the emphaticness.

[SuckaPunch]

If Floyd can beat King Kong more convincingly than Pac did, then he deserves #1. I doubt it though, PBF won't even get past Donkey Kong IMO. Thoughts?

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[amagnin]

i seriously think you're DLT's alt, who created the thread "PAC is Not P4P #1!". your choice of words and examples are very very similar, if not the same.

why bring up Pac's loss 7yrs ago? damn, that fight was in the first half of his career, he was still a flyweight back then!

Let me tell you why I bring it up... Floyd has NEVER lost. Say what you want about him but he is still undefeated. Also you didn't mention Pac's loss to Morales which was recent or his draw to Sanchez after 2 point deductions (the fight was stopped in the 6th round so Sanchez was ahead 4-2) or that he hasn't fought the best competition. Bottom line Barerra was a great win but I don't see any other marquee wins. Morales II...Morales had just lost to Raheem so I don't think you can say he was at the top of his game especially because he had to fight so hard to make weight. Who else has Pac beaten? 3K Battery coming off of a draw? Floyd's opposition of late hasn't been top notch but for me to knock him from #1 I have to see his skills decline or see him lose. I haven't seen either. BTW if you have Winky as #1 I have no issue with that.

[jai mari078]

First off, no he did not.
Secondly, Trinidad had retired, and come back with one pretty good preformance against Mayorga. Winky decisioned him at middleweight, while his original weight was 147.
Mosley, coming off two decision losses against Forrest and a bull**** win against Oscar, was fighting at 154, while in his prime he was fighitng at 135.
Taylor Wright was a good preformace that ended, probably rightly so, in a draw.
These wins are not nearly as impressive as victories over Castillo twice, and undefeated Corrales, Jesus Chavez (who had one SD loss in his fifth fight) and Genaro Hernandez (only loss to DLH)

Obviously we are gonna have to agree to disagree, and Winky didn't just decision Trinidad he completely shut him down. He may have been retired but it's not like he was old or battle worn like a Vargas. He lost one fight to Hopkins who we all know what he has done. Regrdless he completely dominated Tito. Welterweight was not Tito's best weight I would have to go with 154. He struggled to make 147, and still carried his power to middle. I think it was to much weight for him, but he was still legit. Your right Shanes best weight was 135, but he was still a world class fighter. I agree that Shanes win over Oscar was bull****. The point I am making is that Winky has consistantly taken on elite competition and never picked a chose his fights because they were safe or afraid to take a risk. You think moving up to fight the bigger stronger Taylor wasn't a risk. He took the fight and didn't worry that it could be a tough fight or that he would possibly lose. Once again you are talking about fights that Floyd fought years ago. What has he done lately to deserve being cosidered p4p. Of course Floyd fan are gonna always say what he has done is more significant than any other fighter and thats what bothers me about some PBF fans. You'll act like this guy is GOD and has no weaknesses. You'll are unable to crticisize anything he does and unable to be completely objective. I'm not saying the guy isn't good and has potential to be the one of the best fighters of all time, but he hasn't done anything lately to be anointed GOD. he can have all the skill in the world but if he doesn't use it against the best what good is that. Like I said we will just have to agree to disagree.

[VERDUGO]

Let me tell you why I bring it up... Floyd has NEVER lost. Say what you want about him but he is still undefeated. Also you didn't mention Pac's loss to Morales which was recent or his draw to Sanchez after 2 point deductions (the fight was stopped in the 6th round so Sanchez was ahead 4-2) or that he hasn't fought the best competition. Bottom line Barerra was a great win but I don't see any other marquee wins. Morales II...Morales had just lost to Raheem so I don't think you can say he was at the top of his game especially because he had to fight so hard to make weight. Who else has Pac beaten? 3K Battery coming off of a draw? Floyd's opposition of late hasn't been top notch but for me to knock him from #1 I have to see his skills decline or see him lose. I haven't seen either. BTW if you have Winky as #1 I have no issue with that.

Obviously, you haven't seen the Sanchez fight.
PAC was robbed in that fight.
PAc was up ahead by two or three points by the the end of 5th plus the 2 points deduction from Sanchez for being dirty.(He's lucky coz he should've been disqualified).
Please get your facts straight first before you post like you know what your talking about.

[GunStar]

If Floyd can beat King Kong more convincingly than Pac did, then he deserves #1. I doubt it though, PBF won't even get past Donkey Kong IMO. Thoughts?

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Oh ****, I didn't know Pac knocked the **** out of King Kong, I changed my mind Pac is def P4P #1 after knocking King King out.

[amagnin]

Obviously, you haven't seen the Sanchez fight.
PAC was robbed in that fight.
PAc was up ahead by two or three points by the the end of 5th plus the 2 points deduction from Sanchez for being dirty.(He's lucky coz he should've been disqualified).
Please get your facts straight first before you post like you know what your talking about.

Regardless of your opinions about how the fight was going the FACT is that it was scored a draw and 2 points were deducted from Sanchez. Personally I think Marty Denkin is a pretty solid judge and he had Pac losing by 2 points (he scored it a draw). I think I am pretty familiar with the fight.

[VERDUGO]

Regardless of your opinions about how the fight was going the FACT is that it was scored a draw and 2 points were deducted from Sanchez. Personally I think Marty Denkin is a pretty solid judge and he had Pac losing by 2 points (he scored it a draw). I think I am pretty familiar with the fight.

WATCH THE FIGHT!! And listen to the BOOOOOOOOOOO's from the crowd after the decision was announced.
.! That's all I can say.

[amagnin]

WATCH THE FIGHT!! And listen to the BOOOOOOOOOOO's from the crowd after the decision was announced.
.! That's all I can say.

So it was a bad decision but it still is a draw. If he had KO'd the guy or won more decisively he would have won. Its not as if Sanchez was unbeatable at this point... Guzman KO'd him in his next fight. Don't get me wrong Guzman is a really good fighter and Pac is a great fighter, but I just have Floyd at #1 because there are no bad decisions or off nights on his record.