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  • R_Walken
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    How This fight played out is everything Ruiz is as a fighter

    Not saying it’d happen twice but Ruiz Had already proven he has the talent & skills to beat AJ , but either because lack of discipline or coming in fat and not training gives him a Built in excuse if he lost. Ruiz has never been even half way committed to being the best fighter he can be and just gets By off his talent .


    He is the definition of Hard Work beats Talent if Talent doesn’t work hard

    Ruiz basically lost the fight before the first round even started

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  • MDPopescu
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    Originally posted by Weebler I View Post
    He is good, no heavyweight was rushing to fight him before this, and none will be after.
    Originally posted by ikigai View Post
    Ruiz is limited? How?

    Ruiz hits like a truck and has fast hands. Phenomenal counterpuncher. Phenomenal combination puncher. Can fight on the inside, is one of the best in his mid range game, cuts off the ring exceptionally, closes the distance and controls range(especially against taller fighters) masterfully.. how is he limited other than his height?

    The fact that he is fighting on the highest level at 6'2 and being a fat **** is pretty indicative of his talent.
    Originally posted by ikigai View Post
    Do I have to answer that? Are we feigning ignorance now?

    This is what usually happens a taller fighter tries to box ruiz. He takes your angles , takes your range and fights you in the mid range.

    Not training and being the second heaviest champion of all time, he didn't have the stamina to stay with joshua.


    ... nice vid......................

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  • llll
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    He was in bad shape in the first fight, but not as bad as he was in the rematch because in the rematch he looked and performed like a can of beans.

    He was 267 in bad shape in the first fight

    He was 283 in the rematch in the worst shape I have ever seen him. The second heaviest heavyweight champion of all time, and he's 6'2.

    Ruiz has looked best around 250.

    I'm not making any excuses, Ruiz won the first fight period. Joshua won the second fight period.

    I'm just talking boxing and truth.

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  • llll
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    Originally posted by Redd Foxx View Post
    You have a habit of making predictions and then raging when you turn out to be wrong. Your Joker threads were a perfect example. It's always the fault of the individual or product, not you, right? I don't get why people try to direct blame. When I'm wrong I'd just rather admit I'm wrong and learn from it.

    The reason Ruiz won was Joshua did not listen to his corner, did not stay outside. He engaged in the range at which Ruiz had the advantage. All he had to do was stay outside and keep moving. That's all. And, he proved that Saturday. No version of Ruiz would overcome that because he's too short. People claimed so many things about Ruiz, but they were basing it all on what happened after the first KD, once AJ was dazed. If you look at who Andy Ruiz really is as a fighter, you'd know he wouldn't be able to keep up with AJ if AJ actually followed the game plan.

    I WISH Ruiz would have pulled it off. But, I knew he wouldn't as long as AJ didn't do anything stupid. I called that right after the first fight ended.
    Joshua was fighting on the outside. He was using his footwork to stay out of ruiz's range, but ruiz was better able to stay with him because he was in better shape than he was last night. He was quicker, had fresher feet and was better able to close the distance because he was in better shape than he was last night.

    Watch it again

    Ruiz wasn't even in good shape in the first fight. He was fat as **** already the first fight. He was in much better shape against dimitrenko.

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  • dibzvincent143
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    Originally posted by ikigai View Post
    Put this into perspective.

    For coming in as the second heaviest champion at 6 foot 2, looking like absolute trash. I mean let's be real here, he looked like complete garbage...

    He faced the most determined, the most focused, Anthony Joshua we've probably ever seen since the klitschko fight.. and he had him fighting scared, hurt him a couple times and went the full distance.

    Compare that to povetkin, who doing his absolute best got knocked the **** out. Just like 95% of Aj's other opponents.

    It's always been the same story with ruiz. For the past decade. He's a talented, dangerous fighter... if he puts the work in.

    Putting the work in and remaining disciplined has ALWAYS been his problem, but his talent and ability has never been in question.

    Ruiz is good.. And i don’t put much blame on him being fat that contributed to the loss.
    He was already fat the first time.

    Not many fighters in history could deal with that kind of style and strategy that AJ presented in their last fight. Potshot, constant footwork, box, Tie up.. wash rinse and repeat.
    Mayweather had been doing that 90% of his career. And look he was undefeated.

    Duran didn’t want it when sugar ray did it to him, and duran was a killer in cutting off the ring.

    Pacman’s workrate plummeted when floyd presented that style to him. and pacman is super fast in terms of hand and footspeed.

    If khan can be discipline, and fight like that, then he’d probably wouldn’t have had his ass kod many times.
    And im a passionate khan hater.

    Aj fought the right fight, albeit ugly to many casuals eyes.. albeit unsatisfactory even to the hardcore ones. That was the best way to go when your career is on the line.. and you have a fatty who can bang you up in close quarters.

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  • Curtis Harper
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    To depend on ''what if'' to make a point is as feeble as it gets. What if Andy came in shape and still lost ?

    The thing with playing the what if game is any one can play.

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  • llll
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    That's the truth. If Ruiz was in shape. This would have been a much better fight.

    Guys like red fox who are saying that ruiz was the same fighter in this fight than the last fight. And there would have been no difference because it was all aj? That's not the truth.

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  • llll
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    Originally posted by YoungManRumble View Post
    It wasn't a stamina issue. He was following him around the ring instead of cutting it off plain and simple. He needs people to engage with him in his range and come forward to him since he has slow feet. Lots of guys in those clips were dumb enough to exchange on the inside with him or one just got rabbit punched to death and thrown down onto the canvas like a sack of potatoes onto their head.... Great highlight......
    Look man, I'm a boxing fan, and any other boxing fan has their own eyes to see what's going on. All I can do is speak the truth.

    The truth is, that if ruiz came into shape, he would have been better able to stay with joshua, he would have gotten more touches and he would have been able to put more pressure on joshua and done more damage.

    That's the truth. Any other real boxing fan who knows what they're looking at knows that's the truth too.

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  • BLASTER1
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    Originally posted by historian larry View Post
    guy was fighting a taller guy and just followed him around the ring..now head movement, no jab ...just plodding...How his corner made no adjustments is beyond me
    I watched an interview with Ruiz snr and he was telling Andy to throw more combos but he was having a hard time just keeping his hands up he was that overweight and underpreped.
    Many and Snr should have been kicking his ass for missing training sessions.

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  • Redd Foxx
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    Originally posted by ikigai View Post
    What happened in the first fight? Break it down, if you understand it so well and so easily. You know so much about boxing, please give us a summary breakdown of what you thought happened the first fight.

    Please and thanks.
    You have a habit of making predictions and then raging when you turn out to be wrong. Your Joker threads were a perfect example. It's always the fault of the individual or product, not you, right? I don't get why people try to direct blame. When I'm wrong I'd just rather admit I'm wrong and learn from it.

    The reason Ruiz won was Joshua did not listen to his corner, did not stay outside. He engaged in the range at which Ruiz had the advantage. All he had to do was stay outside and keep moving. That's all. And, he proved that Saturday. No version of Ruiz would overcome that because he's too short. People claimed so many things about Ruiz, but they were basing it all on what happened after the first KD, once AJ was dazed. If you look at who Andy Ruiz really is as a fighter, you'd know he wouldn't be able to keep up with AJ if AJ actually followed the game plan.

    I WISH Ruiz would have pulled it off. But, I knew he wouldn't as long as AJ didn't do anything stupid. I called that right after the first fight ended.
    Last edited by Redd Foxx; 12-09-2019, 01:12 AM.

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