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  • Dasmius Shinobi
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    Originally posted by Boxing Logic View Post
    Usyk did get hit with unnecessary shots, but it wasn't as bad as people remember. Especially after the first half of the fight, it was an Usyk clinic as usual. Hunter just had a very free flowing style, extremely active, constant movement. He would constantly move and dip then fire back with quick punches even if his body weight wasn't behind them at all. Usyk meanwhile was setting up master level stuff as he usually does, especially after he warmed up (maybe Usyk's one weakness, getting the mind locked in early), and once those shots starting landing especially to the body, those ones of Usyk's definitely had body weight behind them, and the difference told in Hunter's fatigue relative to Usyk's as the fight went on.
    Originally posted by Boxing Logic View Post
    So Hunter is good but it wasn't like... Luke Campbell vs Linares. This was no split decision, oh he lost but really as the fight wore on you could see he was just as good. Not at all. Hunter's unique sort of amateur points style did at points what it was supposed to, and that is score points, and everyone was shocked to see someone like Usyk even get hit at all, so we all overreacted like Hunter was doing amazing, when in reality, wasn't that like a 10-2 fight on points where Hunter nearly got knocked out on his feet in the 12th round? So Usyk nearly won every round, there's probably a good argument he did indeed win every single round if you score on damage and full punches not just touch punches, and then he almost stopped Hunter to boot.


    The Usyk vs Hunter fight was competitive in the sense that Usyk was the clear winner and I agreed the 117-110 of the 3 judges card is accurate and tell the story of the fight. Hunter win the first 3 rounds. After round 4, Usyk was warming and beginning to take the fight to win that unanimous decision. The reason Hunter don't win the fight is because he was not doing enough to win the rest of the rounds from the 4 to 11, but he did enough to stay competitive during those round. In round 12 was all Usyk completely dominating.


    Originally posted by Boxing Logic View Post
    It's sort of like Usyk vs Briedis. Everyone reacted like it could have gone either way. If it really could have gone either way, then I'm pretty sure, in Briedis' home country, it would have gone his way. But even the fact it didn't given that people THOUGHT it was that close is a testament to Latvia's commission there in Riga and what a great job they did being fair. If not for their fairness and integrity, boxing history would have been irreporably damaged and Usyk probably wouldn't even be at heavyweight right now, he'd probably be stuck in season 2 of the WBSS, and then having to take another fight after to get the last belt, just to get to the point two years later where he should have been in the first place.

    Where Vegas failed the likes of GGG and Kovalev, Latvia came through for Usyk, and you can see the immense difference it made in their respective careers. Off of that fair decision, Usyk quickly became undisputed, then into a huge money fight with Bellew becoming a huge star in the UK. That one decision totally saved Usyk's career, in terms of this level of stardom, and even changed the UK boxing landscape depending on what Usyk goes on to do. So much respect for Riga, Latvia because of that decision! On behalf of all boxing fans, thank you for your integrity, and we have so much respect for you, and we want you to know that. Best wishes from the US!

    Anyway, Briedis was landing a lot of punches on the gloves, and a few good shots too, but even the ones on the gloves were making Usyk's haircut snap around like GGG-Lemieux, making it look like he was getting hit when actually he wasn't.
    Originally posted by Boxing Logic View Post
    Everyone overreacted to that one as well. That was another fight, like the Hunter fight, where Usyk was a little lackadaisical early on defense, a little too relaxed or content to take some punches, and maybe he split the first four rounds 2-2, but not long afterwards it was basically all Usyk. Briedis would have a few moments here and there, but overall that was another 10-2, 9-3, at worst 8-4 fight, that people talk about today like it was 7-5. That was a fairly dominant win by Usyk. Not like vs Gassiev or Huck or anything, obviously, but the last 8 rounds of the fight I would say were competitive in spots but not close.



    The Usyk vs Briedis was a very competitive fight when both have success from round 1 to 12. That fight in reality was one of those fight that can go either way or a draw. I have that fight a draw. Both fought a great fight and there was various swing rounds that can go either way. Briedis inside games was troubling Usyk at times. Both made adjustment during the fight. This fight result was fair and square. If Briedis had won that fight, is was going to be fair and square.


    Originally posted by Boxing Logic View Post
    So saying all that, I'm not convinced Hunter will go too far at heavyweight. I do think he's good though. I think maybe the one reason he could go quite far at heavyweight, his real big strength that no one is talking about, is his chin! He took a ton of big shots from Usyk and took them well. Hunter is faster than most heavyweights, but the question is size and durability. Well, if you have the durability, you don't need the size. That's the point of size, to be durable. If you have it anyway, then not having the size is not as big a deal.
    Originally posted by Boxing Logic View Post
    So I could see Hunter beating some good guys. Maybe he could pull off a win vs Parker or Ruiz, and if AJ can't take Ruiz's punches, then maybe Hunter could do something similar? But Hunter would never beat the Klitschkos in their primes, Tyson Fury, Wilder it's possible if he doesnt get caught clean for 12 rounds but obviously that's unlikely. Guys like prime Povetkin would probably beat up Hunter. So yeah his speed and chin could see him beat some bigger clumsier guys who are actually the top guys at heavyweight usually, but there are contenders who would beat him too. Styles make fights. Overall Hunter will never be an elite heavyweight IMO, but anything can happen at heavyweight if you have a chin especially if you have good speed and some skills. He doesnt have the power he needs to do it on a non-fatigued opponent, but if someone like AJ gasses badly vs him, then he'll have enough to do what Ruiz did, but that doesn't mean he's an elite heavyweight, just like Ruiz IMO would get beat badly by elite heavyweights from the last couple decades, and probably Usyk too.


    The power of Hunter is good enough to reset a heavyweight and make think twice how to approach him. He don't have enough power to KO/TKO the best heavyweight, but with his crafty, movement and decent power, he have a chance to win against the contenders for now. I said for now, because I want to see Hunter vs a top 10 to gauge him where he going to stand against the heavyweight elites of the division. I need to see more of Hunter to make comparison.


    Overall, you made excellent valid points, that merit consideration also. I enjoyed your analysis.
    Last edited by Dasmius Shinobi; 08-17-2019, 03:56 PM. Reason: corrections

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  • Freedef
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    From Takam to Fedosov. Damn ...

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  • Eff Pandas
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    Originally posted by Boxing Logic View Post
    For a cruiserweight coming up who is not a KO artist, David is high risk zero reward.
    They were talking Takam so zero reward is what they are looking for. And with Usyk's unknownness at HW I'd argue any fight could potentially be high risk for him cuz we don't know for sure how he'll handle it there.

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  • Boxing Logic
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    Originally posted by Dasmius Shinobi View Post
    I remember that first fight, I was saying in my mind, what the fuck!!! when I saw Usyk receiving unnecessary shots.
    Usyk did get hit with unnecessary shots, but it wasn't as bad as people remember. Especially after the first half of the fight, it was an Usyk clinic as usual. Hunter just had a very free flowing style, extremely active, constant movement. He would constantly move and dip then fire back with quick punches even if his body weight wasn't behind them at all. Usyk meanwhile was setting up master level stuff as he usually does, especially after he warmed up (maybe Usyk's one weakness, getting the mind locked in early), and once those shots starting landing especially to the body, those ones of Usyk's definitely had body weight behind them, and the difference told in Hunter's fatigue relative to Usyk's as the fight went on.

    So Hunter is good but it wasn't like... Luke Campbell vs Linares. This was no split decision, oh he lost but really as the fight wore on you could see he was just as good. Not at all. Hunter's unique sort of amateur points style did at points what it was supposed to, and that is score points, and everyone was shocked to see someone like Usyk even get hit at all, so we all overreacted like Hunter was doing amazing, when in reality, wasn't that like a 10-2 fight on points where Hunter nearly got knocked out on his feet in the 12th round? So Usyk nearly won every round, there's probably a good argument he did indeed win every single round if you score on damage and full punches not just touch punches, and then he almost stopped Hunter to boot.

    It's sort of like Usyk vs Briedis. Everyone reacted like it could have gone either way. If it really could have gone either way, then I'm pretty sure, in Briedis' home country, it would have gone his way. But even the fact it didn't given that people THOUGHT it was that close is a testament to Latvia's commission there in Riga and what a great job they did being fair. If not for their fairness and integrity, boxing history would have been irreporably damaged and Usyk probably wouldn't even be at heavyweight right now, he'd probably be stuck in season 2 of the WBSS, and then having to take another fight after to get the last belt, just to get to the point two years later where he should have been in the first place.

    Where Vegas failed the likes of GGG and Kovalev, Latvia came through for Usyk, and you can see the immense difference it made in their respective careers. Off of that fair decision, Usyk quickly became undisputed, then into a huge money fight with Bellew becoming a huge star in the UK. That one decision totally saved Usyk's career, in terms of this level of stardom, and even changed the UK boxing landscape depending on what Usyk goes on to do. So much respect for Riga, Latvia because of that decision! On behalf of all boxing fans, thank you for your integrity, and we have so much respect for you, and we want you to know that. Best wishes from the US!

    Anyway, Briedis was landing a lot of punches on the gloves, and a few good shots too, but even the ones on the gloves were making Usyk's haircut snap around like GGG-Lemieux, making it look like he was getting hit when actually he wasn't.

    Everyone overreacted to that one as well. That was another fight, like the Hunter fight, where Usyk was a little lackadaisical early on defense, a little too relaxed or content to take some punches, and maybe he split the first four rounds 2-2, but not long afterwards it was basically all Usyk. Briedis would have a few moments here and there, but overall that was another 10-2, 9-3, at worst 8-4 fight, that people talk about today like it was 7-5. That was a fairly dominant win by Usyk. Not like vs Gassiev or Huck or anything, obviously, but the last 8 rounds of the fight I would say were competitive in spots but not close.

    So saying all that, I'm not convinced Hunter will go too far at heavyweight. I do think he's good though. I think maybe the one reason he could go quite far at heavyweight, his real big strength that no one is talking about, is his chin! He took a ton of big shots from Usyk and took them well. Hunter is faster than most heavyweights, but the question is size and durability. Well, if you have the durability, you don't need the size. That's the point of size, to be durable. If you have it anyway, then not having the size is not as big a deal.

    So I could see Hunter beating some good guys. Maybe he could pull off a win vs Parker or Ruiz, and if AJ can't take Ruiz's punches, then maybe Hunter could do something similar? But Hunter would never beat the Klitschkos in their primes, Tyson Fury, Wilder it's possible if he doesnt get caught clean for 12 rounds but obviously that's unlikely. Guys like prime Povetkin would probably beat up Hunter. So yeah his speed and chin could see him beat some bigger clumsier guys who are actually the top guys at heavyweight usually, but there are contenders who would beat him too. Styles make fights. Overall Hunter will never be an elite heavyweight IMO, but anything can happen at heavyweight if you have a chin especially if you have good speed and some skills. He doesnt have the power he needs to do it on a non-fatigued opponent, but if someone like AJ gasses badly vs him, then he'll have enough to do what Ruiz did, but that doesn't mean he's an elite heavyweight, just like Ruiz IMO would get beat badly by elite heavyweights from the last couple decades, and probably Usyk too.
    Last edited by Boxing Logic; 08-16-2019, 08:43 PM.

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  • Mammoth
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    Originally posted by Boxing Logic View Post
    And how long has Usyk been out?

    In any case, I think he should fight Parker, Ortiz, Povetkin, Chisora, Whyte, etc, like the names they were originally advertising. Anyone worse than that, it will be a disappointment. But we dont have enough information yet to know whether it's because Team Usyk doesn't want to match him tough yet at heavyweight, or if it's because those guys don't want to fight him. For example we know Whyte has always been shy about fighting Usyk whenever asked about it. A lot of these guys are waiting for paydays vs the titlists and don't want to lose to Usyk instead. Which is stupid though because Uysk is a big star too and they could probably get close to as much money getting 50% of the pot vs Usyk than they would getting 20% of the pot vs Joshua Wilder or Fury. Eddie Hearn just needs to make good offers to these guys.
    Ortiz and Povetkin have fights scheduled. They're trying to make Parker vs Chisora and Whyte is surrounded by controversy.

    So, using LOGIC those fights won't happen in October........

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  • Boxing Logic
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    Originally posted by TinAgeOfBoxing View Post
    "considering their man has been away from the ring since October and returning from an injury." That is why they want him. That and Fedosov is not very good and is shorter and with less reach.
    And how long has Usyk been out?

    In any case, I think he should fight Parker, Ortiz, Povetkin, Chisora, Whyte, etc, like the names they were originally advertising. Anyone worse than that, it will be a disappointment. But we dont have enough information yet to know whether it's because Team Usyk doesn't want to match him tough yet at heavyweight, or if it's because those guys don't want to fight him. For example we know Whyte has always been shy about fighting Usyk whenever asked about it. A lot of these guys are waiting for paydays vs the titlists and don't want to lose to Usyk instead. Which is stupid though because Uysk is a big star too and they could probably get close to as much money getting 50% of the pot vs Usyk than they would getting 20% of the pot vs Joshua Wilder or Fury. Eddie Hearn just needs to make good offers to these guys.

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  • Boxing Logic
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    Usyk should fight Parker or Povetkin on the date, as originally proposed. Just put something in the contract with Povetkin that both have to answer that they stand in solidarity for peace, and against potential warmongering media propaganda, any time they are asked about Russia-Ukraine stuff, so that the fight is not used for political purposes, and problem solved in terms of Usyk's concerns about making that fight.

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  • TinAgeOfBoxing
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    "considering their man has been away from the ring since October and returning from an injury." That is why they want him. That and Fedosov is not very good and is shorter and with less reach.

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  • Boxing Logic
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    Originally posted by Eff Pandas View Post
    David.
    For a cruiserweight coming up who is not a KO artist, David is high risk zero reward. David's weakness is punch resistance. A cruiserweight is not the best equipped to exploit that weakness. David's strength is size and power. A cruiserweight is worst equipped to deal with that strength. It's like prime Amir Khan vs Floyd or something. Floyd was the better boxer but style wise Khan might have been the one to beat him for only the second time (Castillo). Unlike Price, Khan still had a good reputation especially vs boxers, and a big name, so Floyd still should have fought him, and IMO he ducked him, but that's just a good comparison to this situation.

    And if Usyk beats Price, he gets no credit, cuz it's just David Price. But if he doesn't box perfect for 12 rounds vs Price, gets caught once, and loses, it derails his career.

    Usyk is already going to have to roll the dice that he can pitch perfect games vs the likes of Joshua, Wilder, even Fury might have the power to really hurt him... but if he does, he will get a lot of credit, and a lot of money. So it's worth it, and that's what he needs to do to build his legacy at heavyweight. But why take a similar risk on the way there? Survivng 12 rounds with Price might be already 70% as difficult for Usyk as surviving 12 rounds with Joshua, except instead of still getting 70% as much credit and money, he will get more like 1% as much credit and 10% as much money.

    It's not worth it. With that said, Usyk should fight someone good his first opponent, just not a 6'9 guy with a huge punch in Price in Usyk's first heavyweight fight. Either fight a 6'9 guy without a punch, or fight someone more like Whyte or Chisora who have punches but aren't as big.

    Povetkin would still make decent sense.

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  • PBR Streetgang
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    Originally posted by Mammoth View Post
    Idk Fedosov would give a better account of himself than Pricey
    Fedesov might give a better account of himself but I'm not sure it would be as entertaining of a fight. I remember Fedesov on Boxcino or something and he seemed solid and tough but unspectacular. He'd probably just get outclassed over rounds without going for the win.

    Price is big and throws big shots which can leave big openings. His size and power would make him a little dangerous for the first few rounds but he'd gas and get sloppy and get hit. That's more entertaining.

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