Why do people hate on Tyson Fury when he is the only top Heavyweight to step up?

[_Rexy_]

Schwarz is ranked above Fury in one ABC org, and in the top 15 by another. I think he is ranked #4 in one of them. When Fury-Schwarz was announced this was the case, though they might have dropped him out now.

ABC rankings are BS, Will. You know that. Don’t use them to back your argument. Schwartz is ranked highly by the WBO because he mainly fights only in WBO sanctioned fights against low ranked WBO fighters. It’s how the IBF mandatories are usually no names.

Fury not being in ABC rankings is due to inactivity.

[_Rexy_]

Exactly. Yes he has fought Klitschko and Wilder but his last fights outside those two are:

Schwarz - 8th ranked German!
Planeta - 9th ranked German!
Seferi - this guy just drew with the 2nd ranked German (who has 9 losses to his name by the way)


And even before his break after he beat Chisora the first time He went on to fight in this order:

Firtha
Pajkic
Rogan
Maddalone
Johnson
Cunningham
Abell


He has beaten only chisora and hammer on any level outside those main two and both of them are 11-20 fighters at best. Sorry but his resume is marginally better than Wilders, so don’t go fight schwarz then make out to take on all challenges

I personally think Chisora and Cunningham are good scalps, but you’re not wrong. Like I’ve mentioned before, most HW’s have a garbage resume because it’s been a bad division for so long.

And if Schwartz was done BEFORE the wilder fight, I don’t think anyone would have had an issue with it. But you don’t prove to the world that you’re ready, and then regress.

[hugh grant]

Tyson an.inspirational story, can't not like him.
He beat wilder so he can literally fight whoever he wants next.

[W1LL]

Exactly. Yes he has fought Klitschko and Wilder but his last fights outside those two are:

Schwarz - 8th ranked German!
Planeta - 9th ranked German!
Seferi - this guy just drew with the 2nd ranked German (who has 9 losses to his name by the way)


And even before his break after he beat Chisora the first time He went on to fight in this order:

Firtha
Pajkic
Rogan
Maddalone
Johnson
Cunningham
Abell


He has beaten only chisora and hammer on any level outside those main two and both of them are 11-20 fighters at best. Sorry but his resume is marginally better than Wilders, so don’t go fight schwarz then make out to take on all challenges

Hi Kezzer, you may not know this but Steve Cunningham is a former Cruiserweight champion, and a very credible opponent. Some of those you listed are going back 8 years, when Fury was still on the come-up, so let's keep it in perspective. When Fury fought Firtha he was 23 years old, 15-0 and fresh off of winning the British title. Sane goes for most of those you listed, Fury wasn't even a contender at that point but just a fighter on the rise. His best wins are:

Wladimir Klitschko
Deontay Wilder
Dereck Chisora x2
Steve Cunningham
Christian Hammer

Hammer may not be the greatest name, and people may argue that Chisora was never more than a gatekeeper, but Tyson toyed with these fighters when they were at their peaks and giving other top fighters a lot of problems. In fact he made them both quit from being outclassed.

Outside of that, Fury's win over Klitschko in Germany is better than anything AJ or Wilder have on their resume's at the minute. You could argue that Fury's win over Cunningham is also better than anything on Wilder's resume too. AJ does have at least have a resume of beating paper champions and a shot Klitschko.

[W1LL]

ABC rankings are BS, Will. You know that. Don’t use them to back your argument. Schwartz is ranked highly by the WBO because he mainly fights only in WBO sanctioned fights against low ranked WBO fighters. It’s how the IBF mandatories are usually no names.

Fury not being in ABC rankings is due to inactivity.

Well where are you claiming the likes of Molina, Duhaupas and Arreola were ranked top 10-15?? BoxRec? The same place that dropped Schwarz from top 30s to below 50 with no explanation?

[Deus]

Why watch Boxing then, if that is your logic? The best very rarely fight the best. Wilder is always making crazy/autistic claims about his ability, but continues to fight sub-par opposition. Only reason he fought Fury is because his team assumed Fury was shot. AJ also claims to be head and shoulders above the rest, while fighting the likes of Takam and Ruiz Jr.? This is the same throughout all divisions.

Making claims about your own ability is to be expected; if boxers don't have faith in themselves then they'll achieve nothing.

That isn't the issue though; the issue is Tyson Fury routinely talks crap about every other boxer there is and acts as if they are all beneath him, yet instead of rematching a guy that he says is a bum he is facing a complete bum in Tom Schwarz.

If you aren't going to back up what you say then the world is going to deem you a clown... and that is exactly how most people see Tyson Fury.

[_Rexy_]

Well where are you claiming the likes of Molina, Duhaupas and Arreola were ranked top 10-15?? BoxRec? The same place that dropped Schwarz from top 30s to below 50 with no explanation?

Go look at tbrb and ring. All of their historical rankings are very easy to find. I posted the links to Duhaupas being ranked #8 months ago during a debate. I’m not doing it again.

[stellen]

Because he is cheating scum. Because the narrative around him is never to mention the fact that he is a convicted steroid abuser banned for 2 years by the british boxing authorities. He is britains big fat baby miller and thats why i hate him........................And he is a gyppo.

[daggum]

fury was a cherry pick gone wrong. the guy was fighting on undercards against complete bums and was in horrible shape. wilder wanted his name on his resume so he was offered 10 million which was absolutely insane. it was similar to when joshua offered charles martin 6 million dollars or whatever it was. unfortunately for wilder it backfired and he lost which in turn created this 3 headed monster we now have in the division although it really should be 2.

[W1LL]

Go look at tbrb and ring. All of their historical rankings are very easy to find. I posted the links to Duhaupas being ranked #8 months ago during a debate. I’m not doing it again.

The fact of the matter is Rexy, these "tbrb" and RING rankings are subjective and politicized, they are all the same these days. I'd heard of Tom Schwarz before this fight, only time I saw him fight was when he put on a dominant performance against another unbeaten German in Dennis Lewandowski. But on the face of it he is an unbeaten, European-level opponent who will likely take Fury some rounds and give him the opportunity to fight a fellow giant with decent fundamentals and good movement. I personally have no problem with this opponent, and I am expecting a more interesting fight than people will have you believe.