Comments Thread For: Arum: Joshua Damaged His Credibility, Fury Viewed as #1 in U.S.

[aboutfkntime]

Total nonsense

Wilder doesn't get credit for losing to a Fury who he cherry picked coming back off being inactive and obese for 2 years.

The only way you can rank wilder>Joshua or even equal is if you say Ortiz is better than klitschko, Parker and Povetkin combined. Which would be a joke.

Wilder is more highly regarded now, than he was before fighting Fury..... and I am saying that knowing he LOST to Fury

I told everyone that Fury would school him lol

even knowing Fury won, the following fact still remains.....

FACT: Wilder has blasted everyone who stepped in front of him

Wilder deserves credit for the following reasons.....

* I now see Wilder/Joshua as 50/50
* Wilder surpassed Joshua, because he was willing to make the biggest fights possible

[aboutfkntime]

Nobody in the US knows who AJ is.

and, after flattening Fury..... EVERYONE in the UK knows who Wilder is

[lion33lit]

Name me one no hoper he’s fought.

Lol!...name one "hoper" he's fought... A past prime Wlad?? He's avoided skinny Wilder on the advice of Barry & Tag-a-long Fast Ed!... For his bonafide FIRST threat he was ENCOURAGED to "DUCK" Wilder because he was "strong"....A now PED FREE Povetkin is a "hoper?"

Or maybe it was the tough durable Matt (ONE) Legg or Charles Martin with that extra super human strength coming from those Samson locks?! Maybe you think its Paul BUTT-lin or even the fleet footed Parker that moved every which way in the ring against Joshua - except forward with conviction?

C'mon man, Joshua is SCARED of losing (he's ADMITTED as much), he can't run forever. HYPE can only last for so long....Wilder will be 36 when they actually do meet (if they meet)....not a good look for Josh...

[smfmikejohn]

Says who...record books say it was a draw...all that fury number one **** is all about selling controversy

[Fabes88]

Lol!...name one "hoper" he's fought... A past prime Wlad?? He's avoided skinny Wilder on the advice of Barry & Tag-a-long Fast Ed!... For his bonafide FIRST threat he was ENCOURAGED to "DUCK" Wilder because he was "strong"....A now PED FREE Povetkin is a "hoper?"

Or maybe it was the tough durable Matt (ONE) Legg or Charles Martin with that extra super human strength coming from those Samson locks?! Maybe you think its Paul BUTT-lin or even the fleet footed Parker that moved every which way in the ring against Joshua - except forward with conviction?

C'mon man, Joshua is SCARED of losing (he's ADMITTED as much), he can't run forever. HYPE can only last for so long....Wilder will be 36 when they actually do meet (if they meet)....not a good look for Josh...

When he fought klitchko, he was the number one active heavyweight at the time. It’s all well and good re writing history now. Martin was a world champion and plenty of people picked him to beat aj includinh fury. We’ve seen since that he’s not actually that bad.

Joshua did not say he’s scared of losing. He’s pretty much said it’s a fact of life and it will happen one day what matters more is how you recover. Does that seem like the comments of someone scared to lose?

You’re mentioning guys like legg and butler. Aj fought them when he was a prospect. Wilder was fighting that level of opposition as world champion.

Also don’t forget a lot of people chose Parker to beat aj as well. Povetkin is what’s known as a mandatory challenger but you obviously dksab so you may not have been aware.

[Jax teller]

Dude...one promoter or manager calling another manager to see about a fight is NOT calling someone out. Period.

The two punchers that AJ fought put him down or had him on ***** street. That's facts. His chin isn't Khan level...but it won't take a full shot from the heavier hitters at HW to put him down.

Do you know what it means to slip a punch?

Yeah I do and I've seen AJ slip punches better than Wilder. Wilder ain't slipping them he's just leaning backwards out of range throwing himself of balance.

What other puncher had AJ properly down ***** street? It certainly wasn't someone like Molina who had Wilder on it who two of the judges scored a 10-8 to Molina or Harold Sconier. Even Dave Allen stunned Ortiz for a second. It's HW boxing and there's no shame in getting knockdown by someone like Klitschko who is considered a big puncher in the HW division and also supposed to have at the very least knocked down Wilder in sparring as well, although that is only sparring.

It's ironic that for a boxer to be any good they have to be invulnerable and yet you back Wilder one of the most flawed HW champions in history.

[_Rexy_]

When he fought klitchko, he was the number one active heavyweight at the time. It’s all well and good re writing history now. Martin was a world champion and plenty of people picked him to beat aj includinh fury. We’ve seen since that he’s not actually that bad.

Joshua did not say he’s scared of losing. He’s pretty much said it’s a fact of life and it will happen one day what matters more is how you recover. Does that seem like the comments of someone scared to lose?

You’re mentioning guys like legg and butler. Aj fought them when he was a prospect. Wilder was fighting that level of opposition as world champion.

Also don’t forget a lot of people chose Parker to beat aj as well. Povetkin is what’s known as a mandatory challenger but you obviously dksab so you may not have been aware.

When did anyone see Charles Martin isn’t “that bad?” He won his belt because his opponent’s leg fell off, and his last fight he got dummied by Adam Kownacki and it wasn’t even close until Adam gassed in the later rounds (and he still won those rounds)

I’ll add 38 year old Takam to the list. And 38 year old Pulev when they fight. Those are both no hopers.

And I have issue with Wlad being “#1 ranked HW when he fought AJ” because tbrb, ESPN, all of the bodies, and basically everyone who ranks boxers had Wlad unranked for being inactive for 18 months and coming off a loss. Ring threw him at #1 because he was a name. One of the reason people **** on their rankings since Golden Boy purchased

I won’t use anyone he fought as a prospect against him though. Every fighter does that because despite what people on here think, huge difference between amateur and pro

[Fabes88]

When did anyone see Charles Martin isn’t “that bad?” He won his belt because his opponent’s leg fell off, and his last fight he got dummied by Adam Kownacki and it wasn’t even close until Adam gassed in the later rounds (and he still won those rounds)

I’ll add 38 year old Takam to the list. And 38 year old Pulev when they fight. Those are both no hopers.

And I have issue with Wlad being “#1 ranked HW when he fought AJ” because tbrb, ESPN, all of the bodies, and basically everyone who ranks boxers had Wlad unranked for being inactive for 18 months and coming off a loss. Ring threw him at #1 because he was a name. One of the reason people **** on their rankings since Golden Boy purchased

I won’t use anyone he fought as a prospect against him though. Every fighter does that because despite what people on here think, huge difference between amateur and pro

Martin put in a good performance against konowacki. I was there live and a lot of people in the audience were impressed with his performance given the fact the only other time they saw him he was blown out in 3. Who’s fault is it that konowacki gassed? It looked like martins gameplan to come in stronger in the later rounds

So what if klitchko was inactive? We all know the reason why he wasn’t sitting around scratching his balls for 18 months he was preparing for the fury rematch. He was still the number 1 heavyweight at that time. Bear in mind wilder was fighting real no hopers at this point in his career.

If takam is a no hoper then what would you call Washington spilkza and duhapus?

Takam was a mandatory and a short notice replacement. What would you want them to do in that situation? If the pulev fight happens it will also be because he’s a mandatory

[_Rexy_]

Martin put in a good performance against konowacki. I was there live and a lot of people in the audience were impressed with his performance given the fact the only other time they saw him he was blown out in 3. Who’s fault is it that konowacki gassed? It looked like martins gameplan to come in stronger in the later rounds

So what if klitchko was inactive? We all know the reason why he wasn’t sitting around scratching his balls for 18 months he was preparing for the fury rematch. He was still the number 1 heavyweight at that time. Bear in mind wilder was fighting real no hopers at this point in his career.

If takam is a no hoper then what would you call Washington spilkza and duhapus?

Takam was a mandatory and a short notice replacement. What would you want them to do in that situation? If the pulev fight happens it will also be because he’s a mandatory

You can’t be a mandatory AND a short notice replacement. He was a replacement. Wasn’t short notice either. Regardless though, that’s besides the point.

As for “who cares if he was inactive” anyone who ranks fighters. You don’t stay on the rankings if you’re inactive. That’s why nobody had Wlad ranked except for Ring.

Duhaupas was ranked #8 at HW when he fought Wilder. (I know, I was surprised by this also. I found out a couple months ago completely at random by going through tbrb’s historical rankings for a different debate) And Washington was considered a good fight at the time also. Spilka was a replacement (I can use that excuse too) hell, Washington is still a good/decent name. I’m looking forward to watching him and a Adam this weekend (and it was Adams fault he gassed, obviously. I’m hoping he goes back to 240 like when he fought Spilka instead of the 260 we saw against Martin.) and if/when Adam wins, Washington’s only losses are to him, Wilder and Miller. All top 10 guys. No shame in that.

EDIT - not blaming AJ when he beats Pulev. Just like with Povetkin, not his fault that his mandatories are way past their prime and no hopers, but they still are.

[Fabes88]

You can’t be a mandatory AND a short notice replacement. He was a replacement. Wasn’t short notice either. Regardless though, that’s besides the point.

As for “who cares if he was inactive” anyone who ranks fighters. You don’t stay on the rankings if you’re inactive. That’s why nobody had Wlad ranked except for Ring.

Duhaupas was ranked #8 at HW when he fought Wilder. (I know, I was surprised by this also. I found out a couple months ago completely at random by going through tbrb’s historical rankings for a different debate) And Washington was considered a good fight at the time also. Spilka was a replacement (I can use that excuse too) hell, Washington is still a good/decent name. I’m looking forward to watching him and a Adam this weekend (and it was Adams fault he gassed, obviously. I’m hoping he goes back to 240 like when he fought Spilka instead of the 260 we saw against Martin.) and if/when Adam wins, Washington’s only losses are to him, Wilder and Miller. All top 10 guys. No shame in that.

EDIT - not blaming AJ when he beats Pulev. Just like with Povetkin, not his fault that his mandatories are way past their prime and no hopers, but they still are.

He was a mandatory and a short notice replacement. He replaced pulev like two weeks before the fight I remember clearly because I bought tickets and was ****ting myself the fight would be cancelled. It was a mandatory because it was supposed to be pulev but the takam fight satisfied the IBF’s order. 10 days isn’t short notice to you? Ok. So if a fight at 10 days notice that satisfied the mandatory order isn’t a mandatory short notice fight you tell me what it is wise guy.

I’m sorry but the way you’re willing to bend over backwards to defend wilders opposition yet call world champions like Parker no hopers kind of shows your bias don’t you think? You want to sit here and critique a 15 fight novice for fighting klitchko who was one fight removed from a 10’year reign as champ but Gerald Washington is a decent name? Sigh. People say aj fans are unreasonable but we have to put up with ****ty logic like this.