Comments Thread For: Arum: Joshua Damaged His Credibility, Fury Viewed as #1 in U.S.

[_Rexy_]

Did you even read the link about Martin it says he was giving AJ a chance before he was mando. Martin called out AJ (fact, it happened whether you like it or not) probably because he wanted a good payday, Hearn also saw this as a good oppurtunity that was worth paying for but they did not by any means head hunt Martin. Hearn was looking into Jennings and Takam at the time.

Wlad AJ fight was April 2017 Ring ratings at Dec 2016 BEFORE the fight:

Wladimir Klitschko
Deontay Wilder
Kubrat Pulev
Luis Ortiz
Anthony Joshua
Joseph Parker
Bermane Stiverne
David Haye
Andy Ruiz Jr.
Dillian Whyte

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_2016

Nice try using the ratings at Dec 2017 after AJ beat Klitschko with Klitschko retiring.

I didn't use December 2017. I used the June 2016 rankings from their archives. It is strange that they would have Klit ranked so highly after a loss and 13 months of inactivity though since that's against their own rules, but they break their own rules all the time.

[sportbuddha]

I say hard core, you say respected coach and boxing fraternity. That's not the man on the street. AJ is a low level Brit TV celebrity in these parts.

Who cares what the man on the street thinks? People should watch the sport to enjoy the quality of the competition not for the fireworks, ring walk and anthems.

[hugh grant]

Fury was no1 before his hiatus so why not now?.Josh always had to beat fury to be no1, they were in a collision course So For Josh to become no1 in any other way than beating fury is unsatisfactory.
Holyfield had to beat Tyson to be the man. Even after coming out of prison

[rolshans]

Screw rankings and belts...tell me why Parker was a dangerous opponent for AJ based on what he does in the ring.

His speed and stamina.

Those were always the big questions for the AJ/Parker fight. How was AJ going to handle Parker's speed, especially in the later rounds when AJ was exhausted. Remember: before that fight, AJ was thought of as having terrible stamina, and he had mostly faced big HW's like Wlad and Takam without speed or stamina.

But against Parker, he managed both those challenges and won nearly every round.

[Jax teller]

The interview you are using was from AFTER the fight was signed. Even still the stuff he is saying isn't a call out. Its says well I figured why wait to fight him as a mando.

And you are right, there were folks who thought so little of Joshua that they picked Parker. That still doesn't mean that Team Hearn didn't from THEIR perspective select the least dangerous unification fight and other "safe" fights.

Not everything is about Wilder. Some things are about applying common sense to what your eyes see.

Screw rankings and belts...tell me why Parker was a dangerous opponent for AJ based on what he does in the ring.

Do you know how hard it is to find stuff like that retrospectively?

All I can find is Hearn saying things like "after he called AJ out"

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjW_t7yg4TgAhWrAGMBHT8BCDMQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibtimes.co.uk%2Fanthony-joshua-vs-charles-martin-eddie-hearn-admits-title-shot-may-have-come-too-early-1544107&psig=AOvVaw2Ehj7poJvTRpayrcp30G9I&ust=1548337256812045&cshid=1548250854097

Parker's reasonably quick with better boxing skills than AJ I think the only reason he wasn't more dangerous was a crap ref and too little aggression as his normal problem. I don't give Wilder much better odds though as he can't move like Fury, weak guard and AJ seems to be the more clinical finsher going off mutual opponents as the only evidence we have. He'd be very lucky to get AJ out early as he doesn't seem to be able to do this with anything above D-grade fighters.

If anything Hearn has gone round in the order of easiest to negotiate with and making AJ the biggest star as fast possible with the Weld fight could you imagine Wilder taking 33% like Parker before AJ got the belts he won't even do it now and the route AJ has taken created the biggest business interest in the Wilder fight possible.

[Jax teller]

I didn't use December 2017. I used the June 2016 rankings from their archives. It is strange that they would have Klit ranked so highly after a loss and 13 months of inactivity though since that's against their own rules, but they break their own rules all the time.

You're going to need to link that, as you're saying that had AJ 2nd in June 2016 and dropped him to 5th below Pulev an Ortiz by December 2016. Seems like BS but if you've got the proof then....

[The plunger man]

you're cherry picking again. Wlad wasn't ranked by ESPN. TBRB, or any of the sanctioning bodies, So you grab a wiki link saying he was #2 by Ring. Cool, even though 2 years of inactivity and a loss would have removed him from their rankings...but whatever, you have a wiki link!

Oh, Ring has historical archives of their rankings though:

Tyson Fury, Champion
Anthony Joshua
Deontay Wilder
Joseph Parker
Alexander Povetkin
Luis Ortiz
Kubrat Pulev
Andy Ruiz Jr.
Dillian Whyte
Dominic Breazeale
Jarrell Miller

Arum said Parker can beat AJ. Arum is Parkers promoter. Whats your point? I'm sure Hearn is going to say Crolla beats Lomachenko.

And Martin? well Hearn admits that he had to over pay Martin to get him to come over, an absolute fortune! so it's not him that was begging for the fight

https://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-admits-overpaying-martin-secure-ibf-title-joshua--123829

You have a link saying Martin "calling out" AJ after he was mandatory, cool.


I think you're the one who needs to leave this site. Come back when you learn about the sport, since the only person you follow or talk about is Anthony Joshua.

all wilder has to do is fight Joshua and when that happens wilder gets knocked spark out....but that’s why he won’t sign to face him because he knows it and do do you lol

[Ake-Dawg]

His speed and stamina.

Those were always the big questions for the AJ/Parker fight. How was AJ going to handle Parker's speed, especially in the later rounds when AJ was exhausted. Remember: before that fight, AJ was thought of as having terrible stamina, and he had mostly faced big HW's like Wlad and Takam without speed or stamina.

But against Parker, he managed both those challenges and won nearly every round.

I don't ever recall Parker as being specifically fast or athletic. He definitely has hand speed and stamina advantages over Joshua, but I don't recall that being a danger to where the fight was 50-50.

[Nomadic]

Wilder figured out the puzzle late... but he still put Fury on his back twice... Wilder did not go down twice, nor was he hurt.. Wilder won! And is top dog.. Fury didn't do enough to take the WBC strap away from Wilder. Showtime commentary brainwashed you bums into thinking Fury was kicking azz.. he was trying to survive and should have been penalized for constantly holding like a hoe. Lol. Arum is a racists bum.. still looking for a great white hype.. smh. I love all fighters regardless of color.. but damn, its so obvious why some hate Wilder! When we start rd 13.. Fury 2, will be asleep like bermaine stiverne 2. Wilder has figured u out.. its over Fury.

I have a feeling that's going to be the case too.

[Ake-Dawg]

Do you know how hard it is to find stuff like that retrospectively?

All I can find is Hearn saying things like "after he called AJ out"

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjW_t7yg4TgAhWrAGMBHT8BCDMQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibtimes.co.uk%2Fanthony-joshua-vs-charles-martin-eddie-hearn-admits-title-shot-may-have-come-too-early-1544107&psig=AOvVaw2Ehj7poJvTRpayrcp30G9I&ust=1548337256812045&cshid=1548250854097

Parker's reasonably quick with better boxing skills than AJ I think the only reason he wasn't more dangerous was a crap ref and too little aggression as his normal problem. I don't give Wilder much better odds though as he can't move like Fury, weak guard and AJ seems to be the more clinical finsher going off mutual opponents as the only evidence we have. He'd be very lucky to get AJ out early as he doesn't seem to be able to do this with anything above D-grade fighters.

If anything Hearn has gone round in the order of easiest to negotiate with and making AJ the biggest star as fast possible with the Weld fight could you imagine Wilder taking 33% like Parker before AJ got the belts he won't even do it now and the route AJ has taken created the biggest business interest in the Wilder fight possible.

The first fight Martin team sought to make after they won the title by default was with Wilder. He was supposed to fight a one off while Wilder fought his mando but Hearn swooped in and overpaid Martin to come to the UK. The call out is hard to find because it doesn't exist. No fault to you because Hearn said it..but it was bollocks.

Parker is who he is. He is not an aggressive fighter. He was never elite at anything...not size, not speed, not technical skills, not power. He was the lowest risk out of the other two champions.

If your assessment of Wilder's chances was common, the fight would have happened. The money that Wilder asked for would have been easily made up for in US endorsements and the rematch. Wilder has the three things you need to beat Joshua speed, power, stamina. Why? Joshua doesn't slip punches well, uses his feet to get out of danger too much, is super muscular and gasses quick, doesn't have the best chin.