Why is it ok for Crawford-Spence to marinate but not AJ-Wilder??

[pillowfists98]

Honestly they could probably marinate the AJ-Wilder fight for another year or two and end up making more money. I wouldn't like it and it would be unfair for the fans but it would make more money because both guys would have more time to increase their profiles. Crawford vs Spence should happen as soon as possible. Neither of those guys are ever going to be big stars anyway so why wait.

[WesternChamp]

Joshua-Wilder is 4 belts in one fight in the Heavyweight division and one fighter (Joshua) is a national hero and marketing phenomenon. It's the only Heavyweight fight worth a damn currently.

Crawford-Spence is 2 belts in one fight in the Welterweight division and both fighters are currently mainly regional attractions that are currently building larger fan bases and higher audiences with each fight. It is also the consensus p4p #2 guy vs. a guy that's been a champion for 13 months but appears just outside most p4p top 5's.

If you can't see that one is about as hot as it can be and the other and has even more ability to grow then I don't know what to tell you.

A fighter can be the best in the world and not the most marketable. Why did Trinidad and De La Hoya fight Whitaker and Quartey respectively before their obviously bigger fight? Because there was room (and time) to make it bigger even though they were both #1 and 2 in the division and #2 and 3 p4p.

what's there to built up? care to explain?

[-Makunouchi-]

Aj/wilder can result to moolah, while spence/crawford will result to no moolah. Simple as that.

[chrisJS]

what's there to built up? care to explain?

Add two more belts to make it not just a unification bout but the undisputed championship. That will definitely add to the fight and it will give Spence a chance to get an equally (or perhaps more) recognizable foe on his resume like Garcia or Thurman. Four is a larger number than two so it's logical to assume four belts coming together for essentially the final in the division is better than fighting for two but leaving two other fighters out there with belts. That makes sense when you factor in the following.

Their fan bases can grow beyond Omaha and Dallas. As I stated clearly both are mainly regional attractions from a marketing standpoint but they are making some more noise recently so they seem to be expanding based on TV numbers, live gates etc;

More people in attendance, more people tuning in I would assume be a larger number than fewer people turning up and fewer people tuning in. Usually more equals more money and usually more money is better than less money.

I know your point is to say well both fighters suck really so that's what you want to try and "prove" but it would take a complete moron to think Crawford-Spence is at it's hottest currently and would be dead in 12-18 months. Crawford is the consensus p4p #2 and Spence is a consensus #4-10 guy who's been a champion for 13 months. If he adds the scalps of Garcia and/or Thurman in addition to holding three titles, he'd likely be #3-4 consensus against #2 (or 1) Crawford.

They could make maybe $3m a piece currently and the promoters stand to do "ok" or they can try and build it and then maybe both guys make double and the promoters profit better.

[WesternChamp]

Add two more belts to make it not just a unification bout but the undisputed championship. That will definitely add to the fight and it will give Spence a chance to get an equally (or perhaps more) recognizable foe on his resume like Garcia or Thurman. Four is a larger number than two so it's logical to assume four belts coming together for essentially the final in the division is better than fighting for two but leaving two other fighters out there with belts. That makes sense when you factor in the following.

Their fan bases can grow beyond Omaha and Dallas. As I stated clearly both are mainly regional attractions from a marketing standpoint but they are making some more noise recently so they seem to be expanding based on TV numbers, live gates etc;

More people in attendance, more people tuning in I would assume be a larger number than fewer people turning up and fewer people tuning in. Usually more equals more money and usually more money is better than less money.

I know your point is to say well both fighters suck really so that's what you want to try and "prove" but it would take a complete moron to think Crawford-Spence is at it's hottest currently and would be dead in 12-18 months. Crawford is the consensus p4p #2 and Spence is a consensus #4-10 guy who's been a champion for 13 months. If he adds the scalps of Garcia and/or Thurman in addition to holding three titles, he'd likely be #3-4 consensus against #2 (or 1) Crawford.

They could make maybe $3m a piece currently and the promoters stand to do "ok" or they can try and build it and then maybe both guys make double and the promoters profit better.

from the choices of opponents they have been fighting, i dont see how it can built this fight up any bigger. both guys are pushing 30. how long should we wait?

[chrisJS]

from the choices of opponents they have been fighting, i dont see how it can built this fight up any bigger. both guys are pushing 30. how long should we wait?

Porter-Garcia is scheduled and the winner presents Spence with an excellent option of adding a belt and a big scalp. Thurman is out there. Whoever beats him will grow bigger. Spence could potentially do Dallas numbers in NYC or Vegas.

If the public gets to see Crawford on regular ESPN maybe 2-3 more times that will help his brand grow further seen as though he's the consensus p4p #2 and would have a legit top 5 p4p unified champ as an opponent. He could potentially do Omaha numbers in NYC or Vegas.

[Madison Boxing]

crawford and spence have the same fanbase thats why. they want either guy v thurman, but not against each other. that one doesnt need to marinate funnily enough but when its crawford v spence its 'no rush'

[Madison Boxing]

from the choices of opponents they have been fighting, i dont see how it can built this fight up any bigger. both guys are pushing 30. how long should we wait?

mate they are going to suddenly turn into huge stars out of nowhere. thats apparantly whats going to happen, its all just going to click into place.

[WesternChamp]

Porter-Garcia is scheduled and the winner presents Spence with an excellent option of adding a belt and a big scalp. Thurman is out there. Whoever beats him will grow bigger. Spence could potentially do Dallas numbers in NYC or Vegas.

If the public gets to see Crawford on regular ESPN maybe 2-3 more times that will help his brand grow further seen as though he's the consensus p4p #2 and would have a legit top 5 p4p unified champ as an opponent. He could potentially do Omaha numbers in NYC or Vegas.

and we're suppose to just keep assuming they'll win all these fights right? so when exactly should this fight take place?

[Madison Boxing]

and we're suppose to just keep assuming they'll win all these fights right? so when exactly should this fight take place?

they need to waste their prime years building up one single fight. rather than jsut fighting the best guys they can one after another and building up the best possible resume, they need to waste their prime years (which they are in now) building up and focusing on just one fight. even though theres no guarantee it will be built up to be a big money event.