Why don't UK fans want the Wilder v AJ fight?

[JohnP2]

Hearn keeps stating that the fight "must happen" in 2018 due to the mandatory(s) that AJ will have.

This does not make sense to me, seeing as ALL sanctioning bodies will want a piece of the undisputed Heavyweight championship of the world, and I just don't see how they would force a mandatory in that scenario.

This seems to me like Matchroom is already laying their excuses for post 2018.

Wilder has already said reverse the split, put AJ in the Whyte contract etc. What more can this man do to get this fight with AJ?

I'm sorry folks. Regardless of which side of the pond you are on, this is quickly becoming the most prolific duck since Bowe/Lewis. At that time, we American's kept it real and gave Big Daddy the business for his blatant ducking.

It's comical when I hear these UK "boxing" fans deny the fact AJ (specifically Matchroom) are clearly ducking Wilder. You either don't know **** about boxing, are in straight denial, or a combination of the two.

I GET why AJ doesn't want it. By his own admission, he's afraid to lose. But I don't see how you can call yourself a boxing fan wanting AJ to fight anyone except Wilder.

It's only boxing, kids. It'll be okay, after he loses. That's just how it is.

[Robbie Barrett]

Hearn keeps stating that the fight "must happen" in 2018 due to the mandatory(s) that AJ will have.

This does not make sense to me, seeing as ALL sanctioning bodies will want a piece of the undisputed Heavyweight championship of the world, and I just don't see how they would force a mandatory in that scenario.

This seems to me like Matchroom is already laying their excuses for post 2018.

Wilder has already said reverse the split, put AJ in the Whyte contract etc. What more can this man do to get this fight with AJ?

I'm sorry folks. Regardless of which side of the pond you are on, this is quickly becoming the most prolific duck since Bowe/Lewis. At that time, we American's kept it real and gave Big Daddy the business for his blatant ducking.

It's comical when I hear these UK "boxing" fans deny the fact AJ (specifically Matchroom) are clearly ducking Wilder. You either don't know **** about boxing, are in straight denial, or a combination of the two.

I GET why AJ doesn't want it. By his own admission, he's afraid to lose. But I don't see how you can call yourself a boxing fan wanting AJ to fight anyone except Wilder.

It's only boxing, kids. It'll be okay, after he loses. That's just how it is.

Say he'll accept the same deal as Parker. That would make the fight straight away.

[Kezzer]

I think you will find most do. But there is also a bit of an acceptance on most for variety of reasons.

1) Joshua deserves the split he wants, even 70/30 is a massive increase on wilders biggest ever payday. Joshua now owns four of the five belts. Emphasis on wilder to make an offer which is acceptable.

2) He has continuously took on tough opposition. Even if he fought a Povetkin mandatory it would be tough. He is well within his right to do a normal voluntary, just look at wild ta resume to see how much more abusing of this option other Heavyweights have been.

3) Time is on his side, he is 28. Let’s be fair here, he’s still flew up the rankings so fast and we learn something new each fight about him. But at 28, even if specific fights are delayed then we know they can still happen.

4) other options - For me there are several fights available with appeal. Wilder (belts), Fury, Haye, Whyte2, Povetkin (mandatory), Ortiz, Miller (U.S). All good options for differing reasons.

[M Bison]

Say he'll accept the same deal as Parker. That would make the fight straight away.

50/50, stop trying to price things out, what a diva move
We all know Eddie Hearn has been doing his best to hype this one and he has been using Wilder name non stop slandering him and all sorts, I'd say considering this is now for all the belts it definitely should be close to 50/50 if it can't be that.

[just the facts]

The long and short of it is that Joshua's management doesn't want to risk a Wilder fight just yet. They know that if Wilder hurts Joshua like Wlad did (a real possibility) he won't let him off the hook like Wlad did. So they keep throwing up roadblocks (money, location, Whyte, etc).

[JohnP2]

I think you will find most do. But there is also a bit of an acceptance on most for variety of reasons.

1) Joshua deserves the split he wants, even 70/30 is a massive increase on wilders biggest ever payday. Joshua now owns four of the five belts. Emphasis on wilder to make an offer which is acceptable.

2) He has continuously took on tough opposition. Even if he fought a Povetkin mandatory it would be tough. He is well within his right to do a normal voluntary, just look at wild ta resume to see how much more abusing of this option other Heavyweights have been.

3) Time is on his side, he is 28. Let’s be fair here, he’s still flew up the rankings so fast and we learn something new each fight about him. But at 28, even if specific fights are delayed then we know they can still happen.

4) other options - For me there are several fights available with appeal. Wilder (belts), Fury, Haye, Whyte2, Povetkin (mandatory), Ortiz, Miller (U.S). All good options for differing reasons.

1. He's already stated he'll go as low as 10/90 on the initial fight (as long as he gets that in the rematch). Seems acceptable to me.

2. Don't see it at all. If you are one fight away from becoming undisputed Heavyweight champion of the world, you should RUN toward that. Just like Wilder is. Remember, fighters have been ducking HIM...not vice-versa.

3. See #2.

4. See #2. (How you would not want your fighter to become undisputed is beyond me.)

I appreciate the response, but in the end nothing justifies *continuing* to delay the fight. The excuses are running out, IMO.

[Kezzer]

The long and short of it is that Joshua's management doesn't want to risk a Wilder fight just yet. They know that if Wilder hurts Joshua like Wlad did (a real possibility) he won't let him off the hook like Wlad did. So they keep throwing up roadblocks (money, location, Whyte, etc)

Wilder could do following:

Take 33%, would be a HUGE payday for him.
Fight in Wembley - would be a HUGE payday for him.
Fight Whyte, his #1 first, build up the fight further, and would likely build expectation from public for fight and his % - would be a HUGE payday for him.

But he can’t do any of those things because Hearn is blocking....

[JohnP2]

Let's also remember....even if they fought at 50/50 it will STILL be AJ's biggest payday too.

I'd think you UK fans would be grateful our champion is not holding the final belt hostage. He's BEGGING AJ to come and take it.

[just the facts]

Wilder could do following:

Take 33%, would be a HUGE payday for him.
Fight in Wembley - would be a HUGE payday for him.
Fight Whyte, his #1 first, build up the fight further, and would likely build expectation from public for fight and his % - would be a HUGE payday for him.

But he can’t do any of those things because Hearn is blocking....

You're a little mixed up here, Wilder wants the fight NOW, its team Joshua who is preventing this fight from happening NOW.

[Kezzer]

1. He's already stated he'll go as low as 10/90 on the initial fight (as long as he gets that in the rematch). Seems acceptable to me.

2. Don't see it at all. If you are one fight away from becoming undisputed Heavyweight champion of the world, you should RUN toward that. Just like Wilder is. Remember, fighters have been ducking HIM...not vice-versa.

3. See #2.

4. See #2. (How you would not want your fighter to become undisputed is beyond me.)

I appreciate the response, but in the end nothing justifies *continuing* to delay the fight. The excuses are running out, IMO.

You really miss the point. The 90/10 offer was based on him getting opposite in rematch, when asked specifically if this was only case if he won , he refused to say. Up shot of it is he is still asking for 50/50 but across two fights instead of one.

I don’t think anyone can claim wilder is running towards any fight, he has a track record of taking the easy fights over better money and/or challenging options, in that time he continuing has talked up the bigger fights.

Until wilder gets into a ring with anyone it’s never a foregone conclusion.

Joshua, by contrast , has a resume which has shown him build up his career quickly and take on tough options at various stages of his career. Many would have argued before the fights that he took on Whyte, Martin and Klitschko too early in his career but he stepped up and took them on. Wilder refused to fight klitschko at all and has openly said he will delay fighting Whyte.