Is it fair to say that both Joshua and Wilder are rare talents.

[Sheldon312]

Joshua is a genetic freak and has a work rate I haven't seen before. Wilder is a physical specimen with GOAT athletic ability at the HW division and maybe the hardest puncher of all time.

[juggernaut666]

Wilders not a talent , he relies on being taller and being quicker . Without either of the two we wouldn't have even known about him .

Joshua IS a talent and has never been close to losing outside Klitchko or worried about being behind in fights . He actually revolves around skill ,theres no comparison between the two .

Wilder IS effective bc what he has,length ,speed , power but these arent skills . They are attributes and Joshua has them too.

Joshua is a rare talent bc you wont find a 6'6 240 plus counter punching style who likes close quarters fighting using combinations . He will have the advantage all the time if one cannot fight at close range .

[alexguiness]

Neither are 'rare' boxing talents.

They are just superior physical specimens in terms of muscle mass, height and overall physicality.

It pains me to say that the true definition of a 'rare talent' would be Floyd.

[kafkod]

Wilders not a talent , he relies on being taller and being quicker . Without either of the two we wouldn't have even known about him .

Joshua IS a talent and has never been close to losing outside Klitchko or worried about being behind in fights . He actually revolves around skill ,theres no comparison between the two .

Wilder IS effective bc what he has,length ,speed , power but these arent skills . They are attributes and Joshua has them too.

Joshua is a rare talent bc you wont find a 6'6 240 plus counter punching style who likes close quarters fighting using combinations . He will have the advantage all the time if one cannot fight at close range .

If we're talking pure boxing talent, then Wilder is one of the least talented HW champs ever.

But If you define any inborn, natural ability as a talent, then Wilder is indeed highly talented. He has that tall, skinny frame, which gives him range and speed, and he is also extremely strong with natural ko power.

That's a rare combination, and it's what Nazeem Richardson meant when he was talking about how talented Wilder is.

[juggernaut666]

If we're talking pure boxing talent, then Wilder is one of the least talented HW champs ever.

But If you define any inborn, natural ability as a talent, then Wilder is indeed highly talented. He has that tall, skinny frame, which gives him range and speed, and he is also extremely strong with natural ko power.

That's a rare combination, and it's what Nazeem Richardson meant when he was talking about how talented Wilder is.

Those arent talents for Wilder they are attributes !

Wilder still doesnt have that boxing intuition ,hes not fluid ,doesnt set up more than 2 punces at a time and any opponents that gave resistance he has struggled or was behind in the fight even if you go by off the wall judging .

He is NOT a talented boxer.

He is a dangerous one, take away his power and your left with a below avg boxer .

Joshua , Fury , Joyce , are examples of talented boxers over 6'5 , they are using skills to dominate , Wilder uses patience to land big right hands ,he hasnt fought a PRIME power puncher or 6'6 plus guy with fluid skills yet . .

[kafkod]

Those arent talents for Wilder they are attributes !

Wilder still doesnt have that boxing intuition ,hes not fluid ,doesnt set up more than 2 punces at a time and any opponents that gave resistance he has struggled or was behind in the fight even if you go by off the wall judging .

He is NOT a talented boxer.

He is a dangerous one, take away his power and your left with a below avg boxer .

Joshua , Fury , Joyce , are examples of talented boxers over 6'5 , they are using skills to dominate , Wilder uses patience to land big right hands ,he hasnt fought a PRIME power puncher or 6'6 plus guy with fluid skills yet . .

What I'm saying is that any inborn, natural attribute can also be defined as a talent.

It gets a little confusing, because some people are born with natural, innate boxing ability, and Wilder is not one of them.

[JosephCox]

I think, its fair

[boliodogs]

No it isn't fair to say that in my opinion. I think you have them both overrated by a large amount. They have won all their fights by ko but their opposition has been pretty weak. AJ came close to losing to a very old and well past prime Wlad who had been inactive for a long time. Wilder was almost KOed by a 38 year old Ortiz. Wilder hits hard but I think there have been harder punchers who threw their punches with better form and put more weight into their punches. I am talking about Liston, Foreman, Lewis and Tyson to name a few. I don't think any of them would need more than a round or two to KO Molina just as AJ did. It took your so called hardest puncher of all time 9 rounds to get rid of Molina. He also needed a long time to KO other mediocre heavyweights that would have been quickly KOed by a prime Tyson or Foreman. Both Wilder and AJ have a poor work rate of punches thrown per round. The heavyweights I listed threw about twice as many punches per round on average. If you don't believe that then watch some of their prime fights.

[uppercut510]

either that or u can sit n complain daily about how they would lose to or they are not better than fighters who are either dead, brain dead, or who ull never see get in a ring again..

[boliodogs]

I think AJ is better than Wilder. He throws correct punches and is a good boxer with crushing power in both hands. Wilder throws some of the sloppiest widest punches of any champion I can think of. Wilder has a great left jab and a great straight right on those rare times when he throws it straight.