Comments Thread For: Canelo: I Won at Least 7 or 8 Rounds, I Even Wobbled Golovkin!

[BlakBread904]

I had it a draw. And in response to GGG landing more punches, the majority of those punches were jabs that had no effect and led to nothing. The only reason GGG threw so many jabs is because he was so ineffectual with everything else and when Canelo was against the ropes he was afraid to go in due to counter punches from Canelo so he settled on flicking out his jab.

The point of the jab is to set up combinations and GGG was not doing this.
The point of the jab is to use it to get inside and GGG was not using his jab to get inside.
The point of using the jab is for defense and to interrupt the other fighters rhythm or to keep him occupied, keep him at bay.

Now GGG did not use the jab for any of the above reasons. He only used it because he could not land anything else effectively and because he was bothered by Canelo's power shots. GGG was reduced to jab throwing in order to land anything. That is why Canelo was not bothered by the jab nor did he waste energy trying to dodge it. This is why I did not credit GGG's jab with winning him the fight. The jabs landing were immaterial. Plus I will go with Canelo's body punches over GGG jabs any day.

This fight resembles somewhat Toney-Jirov. GGG style is very similar to Jirov. Although Toney was much more effective than Canelo many complained about the outcome of that fight too. HBO had it for Jirov, so did Lederman, and so did the people in attendance and many in the press. But over time history has proven it was a masterful performance by Toney with his precise counter punching, even though he did not throw nearly as many punches as Jirov and Jirov was the aggressor. GGG reminds me so much of Jirov.

Other than slight stylistic similarity in the context of which role the fighters played, any resemblance is superficial. Both Toney & Jirov were far more successful w/ their respective offense on that night, and Toney showed superior defense and ring generalship en route to a stoppage win.

[DocGreenThumb.]

HOW THE FCUK WOULD YOU KNOW ??????

you said that same dumb shht about Jacobs and Canelo LMAO

look, Golovkin used to be " the man "..... but now, there are up to 4/5 genuine contenders for that title..... in 2 fights, a supposed killer has been reduced to just..... one of the pack

there are now a whole lot of fights that need to happen

Danny Jacobs could be the best middleweight on the planet

so could Canelo, especially after a couple more camps at 160

it could be Charlo, YOU simply do not know..... and your last two predictions were shht

Hey are you fucin ****** or just trolling or have selective reading. I said both fighters would knock Charlo out with those big shots. Not just GGG. Right after the fight I gave Connello props for going 12 rounds with GGG on another thread. But you're still hating and refuse to give GGG props for winning and the shyt judging that denied him his victory. Stop being a punk asss and talk boxing facts instead of talking shyt. There were many posters on this site that would give credit to the other fighter and I was one of them. But you want to get all moist beacuse I said your boy Charlo could not hang with Nelo or G on Sat. Espn boxing analyst Robert Metclalf said the same thing after the fight in an interview as well.

[aboutfkntime]

Hey are you fucin ****** or just trolling or have selective reading. I said both fighters would knock Charlo out with those big shots. Not just GGG. Right after the fight I gave Connello props for going 12 rounds with GGG on another thread. But you're still hating and refuse to give GGG props for winning and the shyt judging that denied him his victory. Stop being a punk asss and talk boxing facts instead of talking shyt. There were many posters on this site that would give credit to the other fighter and I was one of them. But you want to get all moist beacuse I said your boy Charlo could not hang with Nelo or G on Sat. Espn boxing analyst Robert Metclalf said the same thing after the fight in an interview as well.

let me show you the joy and wonder of opinions

breadman, who I respect MUCH more than you, thinks that Charlo would beat Golovkin

just saying

so yea, your opinion is noted, but it is still YOUR opinion

Golovkin was flat, and largely ineffective

he clearly got outboxed, and was unable to put the smaller man away, or even get him in trouble

that does not sound like Golovkin's gameplan to me

that sounds like how Canelo wanted things to play out

just saying

[aboutfkntime]

the tards, regarding Mayweather:

he is a runner, too scared to engage, and those pitty-pat jabs mean nothing..... who counts jabs anyway



the tards, regarding Canelo/Golovkin:

ggg's jab doe

[nveleven]

the tards, regarding Mayweather:

he is a runner, too scared to engage, and those pitty-pat jabs mean nothing..... who counts jabs anyway



the tards, regarding Canelo/Golovkin:

ggg's jab doe

Life is loaded w double standards. People hate drunk drivers, but texting & driving is barely a ticketable offense, and speeding kills more than both combined.
Why should we expect any different when it comes to peoples' boxing preferences?

A major difference w Canelo & Mayweather, is that while both are masterful defensive boxers, and thus can disrupt any fighter's offense, boxing doesn't sell as well as fighting.

Mayweather understood this, and retired to join the WWE, invent a new persona ("money" after the legendary ted debiase), and come back selling a character. It worked. Because casuals are ******. How many Mayweather PPVs were action-packed?

Canelo has a ****ty promoter with Oscar at the helm. He needs an al Haymon, not a an amateur with a public rep for cross-dressing on coke & booze.
Canelo loses to GGG in the rematch, and watch how quickly his star fades. He can't go down in weight. He's ****ed if he keeps fighting like Mayweather against guys like GGG and winning controversial decisions (and so is Golden boy)

Point being, Mayweather = a boring boxing style to casuals, but an entertaining persona to draw them in
Canelo = a boring safety-first style to casuals in the GGG fight, and a growing reputation as a coward.

The double standard isn't so equal on both sides, which is why they're judged differently.

[DocGreenThumb.]

let me show you the joy and wonder of opinions

breadman, who I respect MUCH more than you, thinks that Charlo would beat Golovkin

just saying

so yea, your opinion is noted, but it is still YOUR opinion

Golovkin was flat, and largely ineffective

he clearly got outboxed, and was unable to put the smaller man away, or even get him in trouble

that does not sound like Golovkin's gameplan to me

that sounds like how Canelo wanted things to play out

just saying

I can agree with you we all have opinions but if Connelos game plan was to go 12 than he got the gift draw he was training for. Not the knock out Mexican style shyt he was talking before the fight. Don't you think that's why he got booed.

[aboutfkntime]

Life is loaded w double standards. People hate drunk drivers, but texting & driving is barely a ticketable offense, and speeding kills more than both combined.
Why should we expect any different when it comes to peoples' boxing preferences?

A major difference w Canelo & Mayweather, is that while both are masterful defensive boxers, and thus can disrupt any fighter's offense, boxing doesn't sell as well as fighting.

Mayweather understood this, and retired to join the WWE, invent a new persona ("money" after the legendary ted debiase), and come back selling a character. It worked. Because casuals are ******. How many Mayweather PPVs were action-packed?

Canelo has a ****ty promoter with Oscar at the helm. He needs an al Haymon, not a an amateur with a public rep for cross-dressing on coke & booze.
Canelo loses to GGG in the rematch, and watch how quickly his star fades. He can't go down in weight. He's ****ed if he keeps fighting like Mayweather against guys like GGG and winning controversial decisions (and so is Golden boy)

Point being, Mayweather = a boring boxing style to casuals, but an entertaining persona to draw them in
Canelo = a boring safety-first style to casuals in the GGG fight, and a growing reputation as a coward.

The double standard isn't so equal on both sides, which is why they're judged differently.

a fighter can employ any style he chooses

it is up to the other guy to deal with it

fighters who say things like..... if he had stopped moving, I could have hit him..... or..... that is not a mexican style..... just got frustrated and outboxed..... otherwise they would not have bothered mentioning it

Mayweather, and Canelo, were under no obligation to use a less-than-ideal style (considering the opponent) in order to entertain anyone.....

you do whatever you can to win, that it is

Parker..... I am a kiwi right, so Parker is my boy..... but, they can see exactly whats up with the referee/judge bullshht..... if Parker does not switch it up, and decides to outbox Fury and cruise to a decision..... then that is on him

he may have to take risks in order to win that fight, because of the conditions regarding the officials..... if he does not take those risks, and loses a decision..... then hard luck for Parker, he knew what was up

Pacquiao complaining about Mayweathers style, and Golovkin complaining about Canelo's style...... is absolute rubbish

[aboutfkntime]

I can agree with you we all have opinions but if Connelos game plan was to go 12 than he got the gift draw he was training for. Not the knock out Mexican style shyt he was talking before the fight. Don't you think that's why he got booed.

possibly

the thing is..... NOBODY believed that Canelo was going to knock Golovkin out, most punters said the exact opposite

before that fight Canelo stated what being a mexican fighter meant to him.....

"If you look at all the great Mexican fighters who have become world renowned world champions like Salvador “Chava” Sanchez, Erik “El Terrible” Morales, Juan Manuel “Dinamita” Márquez, and Ricardo “Finito” Lopez just to name a few, they weren’t the biggest brawlers – they were intelligent with their boxing, were able to outclass their opponents and knew how to use their bodies to achieve their victories"

Sanchez knew what was up, which is why he spent the last week trying to bait Alvarez into a firefight

after round three they DEFINITELY knew what was up, and still could not hurt/finish the kid

a fighter can employ any style he chooses

it is up to the other guy to deal with it

fighters who say things like..... if he had stopped moving, I could have hit him..... or..... that is not a mexican style..... just got frustrated and outboxed..... otherwise they would not have bothered mentioning it

Mayweather, and Canelo, were under no obligation to use a less-than-ideal style (considering the opponent) in order to entertain anyone.....

you do whatever you can to win, that it is

Parker..... I am a kiwi right, so Parker is my boy..... but, they can see exactly whats up with the referee/judge bullshht..... if Parker does not switch it up, and decides to outbox Fury and cruise to a decision..... then that is on him

he may have to take risks in order to win that fight, because of the conditions regarding the officials..... if he does not take those risks, and loses a decision..... then hard luck for Parker, he knew what was up

Pacquiao complaining about Mayweathers style, and Golovkin complaining about Canelo's style...... is absolute rubbish