Comments Thread For: Horn-Pacquiao, Easter-Shaifkov: Post-Weekend Report Card

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[SteveM]

In all honesty the 120-108 scores for Easter are worse than the 117-111 for Pac. Boxing's weekend of shame!!

[Boxing Logic]

I'd like to see Pacquiao fight Easter at 135. Or how about Lomachenko? Mikey Garcia even although that's risky. What about Linares though? That's a hell of a fight at 135 as long as it lasts, and they could really bring back Pacquiao's career with a highlight knockout for the first time in so many years! Linares one weakness is his chin so that style matchup is perfect for Pacquiao.

Roach keeps saying he has trouble keeping his weight up at 147, even before entering camp, so then why the **** is he fighting there lol when he could look so much more spectacular at 135 against guys his own size? And a spectacular Pacquiao is the Pacquiao that will bring in PPVs again, not the one carrying too much weight at 147 so he gasses, and not the one whose punches don't move his opponents at 147 because they're so much bigger than him.

I can guarantee even at age 38, if they just let Pacquiao try fighting someone his own size FOR ONCE, he would still look incredible. In fact it is a stain on Bob Arum and Freddie Roach's legacy that a legend like Manny Pacquiao is going to go out of the sport having fought the final decade of his career against guys 20 pounds bigger than him to the point where now because he struggles somewhat against a much bigger guy, they are telling him to retire.

The truth is they don't even know how good Pacquiao still is, or has been for the last five years! None of us do because EVERY SINGLE DAMN FIGHT he is fighting guys with huge reach advantages and weight advantages! Pacquiao is an offensive boxer who relies on power but his power is masked by fighting way bigger guys! IT'S A JOKE! If all we ever saw of Connor Mcgregor for his entire career in UFC was him fighting at 170 against guys who weigh 190 in the octogon like Nate Diaz, then yeah we would all think he was overrated and had overrated power! But put him back at 155 where he belongs and you saw how he KO'd the campion Alvarez in just a few punches!

The same could happen with Pacquiao.

Are Arum and Roach seriously going to let him retire without ever even finding out? It's been almost a decade fighting bigger men, so how would they even know! He could still be way better than people think even at 38! JUST PUT HIM IN WITH SOMEONE HIS OWN SIZE FOR ONCE!

Hell Pacquiao knocked down a big welter in Algieri many times, Algieri who took Spence's punches for over half the fight. Pacquiao hurt Bradley multiple times and Bradley is built like a tank, says he walks around at 170 or something and could easily fight at 154 now. So what does that tell you! Pacquiao is still so good that even weighing 150 pounds in the ring against guys who weigh 165, he can still hurt them. So what would he do against guys who only weighed 150! I think guys would start to fall again just as easily as Alvarez fell against Mcgregor. Weight is so important when it comes to chins!

Is boxing history seriously never going to find out what Manny Pacquiao was capable of against guys his own size past the age of 30? The latter part of his prime? Well Arum and Roach already wasted that keeping him at 147, but even now he could still go on an amazing run if they just moved him to 135! Forget Horn, I want to see him at 135 at least once before he retires! Let's at least SEE what his power could do against guys his own size. Please Top Rank? Don't fans deserve to at least see ONCE! I'm honestly curious myself. If they don't make it happen at least once, like I said, it is stain on boxing history and a stain on the people's careers responsible for wasting much of a legend's prime in BY FAR the wrong weight class. How do you do that and not even see what he's capable of against guys his own size?

Even Mikey Garcia, heck Orlando Salido was on his way to lasting all 12 rounds with Mikey at 126. Mikey has never taken punches from someone like Pacquiao, and if his power wasn't good enough to KO Salido at 126, then Pacquiao who takes welterweight punches regularly can probably survive it. And if Pacquiao can avoid getting KO'd by Mikey, can Mikey do the same taking Pacquiao's power without the weight advantages Bradley and Algieri had that still saw them get knocked down multiple times?

And Linares? Man Pacquiao would look so spectacular against Linares. That would be like the Pacquiao-Khan fight everyone wanted, except without the 15 pound weight disadvantage Pacquiao would have had in that fight. PLEASE MAKE PACQUIAO LINARES AT 135 BEFORE TELLING PACQUIAO TO RETIRE! That fight should show Pacquiao has more left than people think!

[Shadoww702]

In all honesty the 120-108 scores for Easter are worse than the 117-111 for Pac. Boxing's weekend of shame!!

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No F'N WAY Easter won EVERY round.

"The 5-feet-5 Shafikov never stopped coming forward and had some success with his left hand, which hit Easter flush numerous times when Easter didn’t keep up his right hand to protect his face."

He better get better then this if he wants to stay undefeated.

[Citizen Koba]

I kinda said this would happen before the Shafikov - Easter fight, though I wasn't expecting it to be quite this egregious. In the event I actually (when I got round to watching it) scored 115 - 113 for Easter but could easily have gone the other way. Simple fact is that Shafikov does continual and consistent work both upstairs and down but rarely lands anything particularly eye-catching. It makes it easy to give rounds to the other guy if they just land one or two decent combos or flush shots even when Denis has done as much or more effective work in the round. Similar thing happened in the Rances fight, too (had that one a draw).