Comments Thread For: Andre Ward Has 'Big Interest' in Fighting Tony Bellew, Says Hearn

[Boxing Logic]

Still not over kovalev losing huh? Awesome!

He didn't lose. If when the Cavs were losing by 20 to the Warriors at the end of game 5, and then the Cavs made a shot at the buzzer to end the 4th quarter, and the referee said, "that shot is worth 30 points, Cavs win this game by 10. And this game was a winner take all game. Cavs win the series," would that mean the Cavs won? And then the commissioner comes out and gives the trophy to Lebron, and the Cavs all celebrate, and all their fans say "the Warriors were up 3-0, but we came back! Still not over it Warriors fans? I thought signing Durant was supposed to make you invincible! But look who has the trophy now!"

If that happened, would it mean the Cavs won, just because they would call themselves champions, and just because their fans would gloat, and any time someone questioned their "victory," they would post pictures of Lebron with the trophy, or post screenshots of the official record book that shows the Cavaliers as 2017 champions?

"If we didn't win, then how comes this here says 2017 champions: Cleveland Cavaliers? How come we got THESE?" And then they post pictures of the 2017 NBA Finals rings on Lebron and J.R. Smith's fingers?

Would that make the "victory" real lol?

Na man. So just because a corrupt institution says something is true, and writes it in a book, doesn't mean it is. Corrupt institutions used to say black men were only 3/5 of a human being, but that didn't make it true.

Well I know all races are full human beings, which is much more important and something many on this forum using terms like "white devils" do not, and I also know the rules of boxing. Just because a corrupt ref invented his own rules on the night to ensure Ward "won," similar to the analogy I gave about a ref making Cleveland's baskets worth 30 point, doesn't mean Ward really won. Just because that corrupt commission will put "Ward TKO Kovalev 8th round" in their "official" book doesn't mean Ward really TKO'd Kovalev. Do you believe in closing your eyes and blindly following along with whatever the powerful tell you, or do you think enough of yourself to open your eyes and judge the truth for yourself?

Leaving aside the other 100 fouls, I saw the replay of the last punch with my own eyes, and it was clearly, irrefutably low. You can't win a punch on a foul, so already we know Ward did not actually win that fight. Anyone can pretend whatever they want, and when a large powerful group of people and institutions all agree to pretend the same thing together, they can be very convincing in making it appear to be the truth. But that doesn't make it so. They can make up new rules all the time to benefit their pocket books, but I happen to know the Marquess of Queensbury rules of boxing that have been around for over a century, as well as the ABC rules, and the other sanctioning body rules for the belts they fought for, all of which are quite similar, and all of which say you cannot KO your opponent with a foul.

So the better question for you is, are you still not over the fact that Ward still couldn't beat Kovalev, even with apparent PED acne all over his back?

But honestly I don't even want to jab back and forth with you like that. You're happy your guy "won," I'm disappointed that instead of clearing up the controversy after the robbery in the first fight that we got a corrupt non-result instead, but at the end of the day, it's over, so all we can hope for is better fights in the future with less corruption. And that's what I'm "not over," the fact that Ward-Bellew, if it happens, will be a ****ty fight, instead of a good one.

I just want to see the best fights. I have said repeatedly that I hope GGG moves up to 175 next year and fights the best guys, and I'm a GGG fan. You think that benefits GGG for him to fight 30 pounds heavier guys and quite possibly lose and then get **** on by all the racist haters? Of course not, but since I'm a real boxing fan, not just a GGG fan, I want to see amazing fights. That is the difference between a boxing fan who happens to like clean, entertaining fighters like GGG, and a fanboy or racial fan who wants to see their guy avoid all risks and win at all costs and even cheat, in order to make some sort of racial statement. I don't care about that ****, I just want to see the best fights. I think Kovalev-Usyk, Ward-Gassiev would be amazing fights at cruiserweight, and maybe the winners could fight. I think GGG-Beterbiev or GGG-Stevenson would be awesome at 175.

I just want to see the best fights and I've always been consistent about that. If Kovalev were trying to fight Tony Bellew I would say the exact same thing. Why fight a C-level guy who Kovalev would KO easily especially at cruiserweight when he could fight Stevenson or Beterbiev at 175, and those would be amazing fights for the fans, the exact opposite of Bellew? You should at least respect my consistency and objectivity if nothing else.

[Ake-Dawg]

Boxing Logic:

The difference between you and I is, I watch to see guys punch people in the face. I enjoy boxing and don't make a soap opera out of the sport like you seem to. You talk more about drama, personalities, and scandal than you do about skill and tactic.

The majority of your posts promote innuendo and misguided supposition. Yet your name is boxing logic. Logic is based on facts and you are frequently short on those.

[hitking]

As a Ward fan I would like to see him fight Adonis for lineal and undisputed. It would be better for his legacy and he can move up afterwards

fight stevenson

"Fight Stevenson" sounds real good. But when was the last time Stevenson had any legitimate interest im fighting anybody with a pulse? Ward is 33 and even though his status and standing in the game has never been higher, his physical prime is clearly behind him. And he doesn't have time for the "talk ****, fight nobody" game Stevenson has been playing the last four years.

[hitking]

Of course not. The rules do not apply to Andre Ward. We found that out on June 17th, and every fight of his career preceding. Bellew-Ward, I can't think of a worse matchup.

For beating Tony Bellew? Bellew is too slow to even hit him, the matchup is a joke. Maybe you think Bellew has the size advantage but he doesn't. Virgil said Ward walked around at 200 when he fought at 168. With all the muscle he added before the Kovalev rematch and moving up to 175, you can bet he walks around at least 205, maybe 210 already. Another six months of training with the same **** that helped him gain so much muscle the last 6 months, and he will be 220.

What does Bellew weigh again? Oh yeah 213 vs Haye. So Ward is already within striking distance of his size, and can actually be the bigger man by fall if he keeps doing what he's been doing.

Andre Ward vs Tony Bellew at the same exact weight. Who is better lol? It's not even a contest. Like I said, terrible matchup.

Smh I have never seen such fanboys. Bellew has always been a bum, but the moment Ward wants to fight him, you guys try to elevate him to all time great status. I never want to hear either of you call Danny Jacobs or David Lemieux bums again, or say Kovalev beat a "50 year old Hopkins." If Bellew was still at 175, that 50 year old Hopkins could still school him. Bellew is ****ing terrible.



And if GGG ducked Canelo would you be like, "yeah a real champ would have fought Canelo, but GGG said no to that idea, so that's what it is." You just state this **** like a fact, like "well my daddy said no so that's all there is to it. I have no opinion on the matter." You're right, Ward is saying no to traveling once again, which is why he's a fake ass champion.



Of course. Everyone got spoiled when Kovalev was champion, offering Beterbiev a fight for a tuneup, then planning to go straight from Beterbiev to Ward, then straight to Stevenson this fall if he would have won. Everyone forgot what it was like before. Everyone forgot what Ward is like. The moment he's no longer contractually obligated to fight someone good, it's back to bum city. And you know Ward is serious about fighting Bellew because a. it's the weakest champion within four divisions, and a. he already has his paid off "fans" here being paid to hype Bellew up as a great fighter. This is a guy who got knocked out by Stevenson, and then couldn't even outbox old, injured David Haye until Haye completely tore his knee mid-fight. Then even then, Bellew had so little power that he couldn't even take out a dead man in the ring.

He sucks. It's a bum ass fight. Some of you guys are thinking Bellew at least has a big weight advantage, but he doesn't! He weighed 213 pounds against Haye. Ward walks around at 210. They are the same size. Where am I getting that number? Virgil Hunter himself said Ward sometimes walked around at 200 when he was fighting at 168. That was two years ago. Everyone commented how much muscle he put on for the Kovalev rematch, with the acne all over his back, so you can guess what he is now. Could be 5 pounds lighter than Bellew, could even be 5 pounds bigger by the time the fight happens. So there is literally nothing to make this fight intriguing. I bet Ward even has more power than Bellew.

Bellew does not have speed or power or slick boxing skill. He's taller but that's it. BUM CITY. Ward fights in a loaded division that he only just came to. Virgil said Ward was so small, he was "still a super middleweight." That was just a month ago. But already he's ducking everyone in his stacked division to cherry pick a bum. Typical Ward. And that's of course because Virgil is a liar, and Ward made himself into the biggest light heavyweight in the planet in order to still lose 5 of 7 rounds to Kovalev before getting desperate and fouling him until his paid off ref stopped the fight. #TBE! #TBE! #TBE! #TBE!

Honest question to fellow Ward fans, but what are we gonna do if Ward #schools and #exposes the best British fighter of all time, Tony Bellew, and then Ward and Floyd both lay claim to #TBE? #TBE stands for THE best ever, which means there can only be one! What we gonna do? Maybe they need to fight? After all, Ward is really still a welterweight! He's just fighting at cruiserweight because HBO forced him to, because HBO hates black people so they banished all the welterweights from their channel because all the best welterweights are black! Including Ward! But Ward used his L33T mind games on them to force them to keep him! But now Jim Lampley figured it out and he snitched on Ward to Peter Nelson, so Peter Nelson forced him to fight bums at cruiserweight as punishment! They are hoping Ward loses because Tony Bellew is from England and England is from Eastern Europe, and HBO has a pro-Eastern Europe agenda! But Kovalev was only good because he has a black trainer who taught him the black style, and Bellew doesn't have a black trainer, so Ward is gonna woop dat ass! I can't wait! I hope Ward pulls out a flogger on him Fifty Shades of Grey style! I love to see a white man's bare ass get flogged by a black man no ****! I just get off on it, it's not a gay thing or a sex thing, it just makes me feel dominant and powerful and horny! You can say whatever you want, but a real man is an honest man so no matter what you say I'm not ashamed!

S.O.G! S.O.G! S.O.G! S.O.G!

Did you actually watch the Haye fight? Haye was kicking his ass, then he tore his ankle. If Bellew actually rematches Haye and beats a healthy Haye, then the Ward fight would be more credible, but watching Bellew get outboxed by an old David Haye doesn't get me excited for this, sorry. If you didn't watch that fight, then your opinion is forgivable, but if you actually watched the fight then I don't know what to tell you. Bellew beat a guy with a torn achilles in the ring who couldn't move.

I mean look at this ****:



You see what the tweet says lol? Haye fought five rounds with that injury and Bellew still couldn't knock him out. ZERO power at that level. Haye is a bum that's why Stevenson walked right through him. Why are you even trying to hype that victory? Unless you didn't see the fight, then you are just proving what I said about being a fanboy even more.

As for Kovalev, both fights were complete robberies each in their own way, and the second one Ward had Marquez-like steroid acne all over his back to go along with magic new lats and traps only seven months after the last fight. Anyone with experience in weight lifting knows Ward's gains from November to June this year were completely unnatural, even for an elite athlete.

So it's the same situation again. If you didn't see the acne, if you didn't compare how Ward looked for the rematch vs the first fight, if you don't know that any shot where the entire glove is below the belly button is illegal per the Marquess of Queensberry rules, then your opinion can be forgiven because you didn't know. But if you know all the these things, but choose to willfully ignore them just to prop up Ward because you like him, then that makes you a fanboy, and far from objective.

He's going up in weight to fight someone his size, who also moved up in weight. If he went up in weight to fight Usyk or even Gassiev, it would be another story, but Bellew? You can twist it how you want, at the end of the day Ward is fighting a C-level fighter the same size as him. Either fighting an A-level fighter his size, or a B-level fighter bigger than him, could both be sold as legitimate matchups. But a C-level fighter who is actually no bigger than him? That's a terrible matchup! I'm sorry but it's just the truth.

I don't believe anyone will beat Ward, not if he's on PEDs and has corrupt refs and judges on his side. I just want to see the best fight the best. Stevenson is 39 years old, and I believe he's only looked good lately because he still gets to fight with no drug testing, or USADA, or whatever he's using. Ward will put him on VADA and then his speed and stamina will go to **** just in time for Ward to fight him. But is it better than Bellew? Yes because Bellew sucks.

205 or 210? I never said I personally weighed Ward. I explained where I got those numbers. Ward walked around at 195-200 when he fought at 168 according to his trainer, and now he looks 10-15 pounds bigger. He could be anywhere from 205 to 215 naturally at this point. Why do you think they are talking about Joshua who fights at 250 pounds? If they weighed 190 they would never think about that no matter how skilled they believe Ward is. You're not going to fight a gold medalist who has 60 pounds on you. But if they are already 205 to 215, and they think they can get to 220-230 with the growth PED they appear to be using, well that's Deontay Wilder weight, that's in the ballpark, that they can make work for them considering they will also have a huge speed advantage against the giant.

We celebrate fighters for moving up in weight against top guys, like Cotto, Margarito, even Floyd fighting Canelo, minus the catchweight. And yes I know Cotto and Margs were too, but Cotto had just been at 140, and Margarito had been at 147 for much of his prime, so fighting Cotto 5 pounds higher than his best weight, and Margarito 5 pounds higher than his best weight, is hardly something to criticize for a midget like Pacquiao who should have been fighting at 135 in the first place, not 152. Canelo on the other hand fought his whole young prime at 154, and was known for struggling to make 154 and already having stamina problems there.

But regardless, going up in weight to fight the best is commendable. But when you use going up in weight as a way to dodge the best fighters, while still tricking the fans into thinking you're great because "hey I moved up in weight!" then that's different. When you know you have a problem with athletic southpaws, so you duck Lucian Bute at 168 and then move up in weight, that's not commendable. When there is no one to truly cherry pick at 175 because it's a much better division, but you scope out the slowest champion in the division who you think suits your style, who has just had a kid, and who you have spies in his gym telling you he's gotten lazy and been drinking a lot of vodka lately, then fight him but still lose anyway only to get the robbery, then get forced to rematch him so you take PEDs until you have acne all over your back, but still lose 5 of the first 7 rounds against him until you get so desperate you hit him with 14 fouls in one round only to have your latest corrupt referee stop it and award you a fake TKO, that's not commendable.

When you're lucky enough to have a chance to fully unify the division as a result of gifts you were given, but you're so ungrateful for those gifts that it looks like you're planning to duck the chance to unify with Stevenson because he's also an athletic southpaw and you know from your amateur days that those give you problems, that's also not commendable.

This is what Team Ward does. Ward even admitted it. Before the first Kovalev fight, when asked about what he planned to do afterwards, Ward said maybe cruiserweight or heavyweight because "Virgil might have identified someone there" or "something there," forget the exact words. That's what they do. Ward has never cleaned out an entire division. Going up in weight has never been an issue for him probably because they have access to that undetectable growth hormone or whatever it appears to be. What has been an issue for them is fighting the best guys. So if weight is no issue for you, but fighting top fighters without cheating is, what do you do? Well what Team CoWard admits to doing is cherry picking certain styles at each weight to fight, while ducking the rest, and then selling to gullible fans that they're "clearing out divisions" when they never have, not even at 168.

If you buy their propaganda, that's on you. All I can tell you is they only sold 3,000 tickets for the Kovalev rematch, and even less people bought the PPV than the first fight. You may not have figured out the Andre Ward con yet, but thankfully for the sake of boxing, most other boxing fans have. His fan base is shrinking at the same rate the apparent PED pimples are growing all over his back.

Smart fans have figured the game out. Don't hate on these cheaters or pay to watch them lose. Just boycott them. Don't pay hard earned money to support known cheating fighters who always bring with them cheating referees and judges wherever the go. Expose their cheating with posts online and when you talk boxing with your friends, but otherwise ignore and boycott them, and eventually networks and promoters will stop paying them to fight bums when those fights don't generate any money or interest. And hopefully, if the corrupt commissions see that setting up fights results in them losing customers by the droves, they will eventually stop doing that too. Until then, all we can do is keep our money as far away from all those corrupt cheaters as possible.

He didn't lose. If when the Cavs were losing by 20 to the Warriors at the end of game 5, and then the Cavs made a shot at the buzzer to end the 4th quarter, and the referee said, "that shot is worth 30 points, Cavs win this game by 10. And this game was a winner take all game. Cavs win the series," would that mean the Cavs won? And then the commissioner comes out and gives the trophy to Lebron, and the Cavs all celebrate, and all their fans say "the Warriors were up 3-0, but we came back! Still not over it Warriors fans? I thought signing Durant was supposed to make you invincible! But look who has the trophy now!"

If that happened, would it mean the Cavs won, just because they would call themselves champions, and just because their fans would gloat, and any time someone questioned their "victory," they would post pictures of Lebron with the trophy, or post screenshots of the official record book that shows the Cavaliers as 2017 champions?

"If we didn't win, then how comes this here says 2017 champions: Cleveland Cavaliers? How come we got THESE?" And then they post pictures of the 2017 NBA Finals rings on Lebron and J.R. Smith's fingers?

Would that make the "victory" real lol?

Na man. So just because a corrupt institution says something is true, and writes it in a book, doesn't mean it is. Corrupt institutions used to say black men were only 3/5 of a human being, but that didn't make it true.

Well I know all races are full human beings, which is much more important and something many on this forum using terms like "white devils" do not, and I also know the rules of boxing. Just because a corrupt ref invented his own rules on the night to ensure Ward "won," similar to the analogy I gave about a ref making Cleveland's baskets worth 30 point, doesn't mean Ward really won. Just because that corrupt commission will put "Ward TKO Kovalev 8th round" in their "official" book doesn't mean Ward really TKO'd Kovalev. Do you believe in closing your eyes and blindly following along with whatever the powerful tell you, or do you think enough of yourself to open your eyes and judge the truth for yourself?

Leaving aside the other 100 fouls, I saw the replay of the last punch with my own eyes, and it was clearly, irrefutably low. You can't win a punch on a foul, so already we know Ward did not actually win that fight. Anyone can pretend whatever they want, and when a large powerful group of people and institutions all agree to pretend the same thing together, they can be very convincing in making it appear to be the truth. But that doesn't make it so. They can make up new rules all the time to benefit their pocket books, but I happen to know the Marquess of Queensbury rules of boxing that have been around for over a century, as well as the ABC rules, and the other sanctioning body rules for the belts they fought for, all of which are quite similar, and all of which say you cannot KO your opponent with a foul.

So the better question for you is, are you still not over the fact that Ward still couldn't beat Kovalev, even with apparent PED acne all over his back?

But honestly I don't even want to jab back and forth with you like that. You're happy your guy "won," I'm disappointed that instead of clearing up the controversy after the robbery in the first fight that we got a corrupt non-result instead, but at the end of the day, it's over, so all we can hope for is better fights in the future with less corruption. And that's what I'm "not over," the fact that Ward-Bellew, if it happens, will be a ****ty fight, instead of a good one.

I just want to see the best fights. I have said repeatedly that I hope GGG moves up to 175 next year and fights the best guys, and I'm a GGG fan. You think that benefits GGG for him to fight 30 pounds heavier guys and quite possibly lose and then get **** on by all the racist haters? Of course not, but since I'm a real boxing fan, not just a GGG fan, I want to see amazing fights. That is the difference between a boxing fan who happens to like clean, entertaining fighters like GGG, and a fanboy or racial fan who wants to see their guy avoid all risks and win at all costs and even cheat, in order to make some sort of racial statement. I don't care about that ****, I just want to see the best fights. I think Kovalev-Usyk, Ward-Gassiev would be amazing fights at cruiserweight, and maybe the winners could fight. I think GGG-Beterbiev or GGG-Stevenson would be awesome at 175.

I just want to see the best fights and I've always been consistent about that. If Kovalev were trying to fight Tony Bellew I would say the exact same thing. Why fight a C-level guy who Kovalev would KO easily especially at cruiserweight when he could fight Stevenson or Beterbiev at 175, and those would be amazing fights for the fans, the exact opposite of Bellew? You should at least respect my consistency and objectivity if nothing else.

Bruh, you need some p.ussy about as bad as any human being on this planet. Buy some is necessary.

[Mr Regan]

to clear it up, bellew is imerald wbc champion? that might be wrong, wrong spelling defo but i aint going google for greasy men. anyway he has a shot at the wbc cruiser champion at any time he wants.

he dont hold the title, i think its vacant.

Champion Emeritus is what you're looking for. He has the rights to defend it, should he fight at cruiser again.

[Kigali]

Andre would make a clown out of Bellew at cruiserweight, punishing him worse than Adonis did.

You're crack or something.

Ward doesn't have Stevenson's firepower....this fight likely goes the distance.

[Kigali]

"Fight Stevenson" sounds real good. But when was the last time Stevenson had any legitimate interest im fighting anybody with a pulse? Ward is 33 and even though his status and standing in the game has never been higher, his physical prime is clearly behind him. And he doesn't have time for the "talk ****, fight nobody" game Stevenson has been playing the last four years.

Nobody including Ward and Kovalev will got near him

[AL_Camino]

Bruh, you need some p.ussy about as bad as any human being on this planet. Buy some is necessary.

Lol, dude wrote a masters degree final exam essay.

[Travycat]

He'd kick the crap out of Bellew. I love listening to everything hilarious that Bellew says, but he really got a gift with Haye getting injured. I think he'd only won a round or two when that happened. And you saw what an even old then Stevenson did to him.

[Eff Pandas]

Make it happen!

Danny "Stuntman" Wheeler vs Pretty Ricky Conlan

This as f#ck.